Brock Lesnar was 100% going into UFC 141, Overeem was a better fighter

A bette?

Midler?

Davis?

Spencer?

I want answers DAMMIT!

 

Thread title ran out of space I'd imagine. Should say Alistair was just a better fighter.

 

A guy with almost no experience against a guy with decades of experience, whos the same monster size, whos well rounded and is a K1 striker

Yet so many morons picked Lesnar to win. Haters gonna hate

Forget the illness. Lesnar could never have won this fight

 

This version of Overeem beats the best version of Lesnar, but if you think the illness didnt effect Brock you've lost the plot. Try having a foot of colon removed and see if you can get yourself into the same condition you were beforehand.

 

Ok, give me an hour

 

As far as these things go, it bothers me that people come up with all kinds of excuses for Fedor, Shogun etc, yet they laugh at Brock, who had more serious health problems BY FAR than ANY of these guys who get free passes. I mean, Brock's health problems are like Big Nog getting run over by that truck and having that surgery at age 31 instead of age 7.

Shogun was a walking corpse against Jones because of his injuries and surgeries, but Brock lost to Cain and Overeem because he sucks. atsch

And when I say it bothers me, it doesn't really, but I find the blatant hypocracy and double standards somewhat annoying.

:hat

 

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah the real route of the Overeem arguments are revealed

So you have a bit of a man crush on the big man hey , its ok son i understand :tong

 

My man crush is Mark Wahlberg actually

No , your man crush blinds you of Overeem's weaknesses and any logic when discussing striking for MMA :yep

 

Oh seriously man come on !!! ok lets try and tie this down as best i can in leymans terms

Striking is striking i agree , in what ever capacity striking an opponent does not change , when your trying to become an effective striker in MMA , i.e. your taking that particular discipline into MMA as your strong point you need to develop that game for being effective in MMA not a " pure striking environment " like muay thai , kick boxing , karate or boxing , there's a huge difference there , you change your stance (something Overeem has done) , you change your timing in terms of when to commit and over commit , which can sometimes lead to over caution or wrecklesness , you change the fundamentals of combination punching to suit the grappling aspect of the sport , in terms of being offensive with your TD's (BJ Penn , St Pierre , Rashad Evans , Dominik Cruz etc etc etc) and in terms of being defensive and keeping a fight standing (Chuck Liddell (wrestling) , Shogun (excellent in the clinch , sick butterfly guard) , Anderson Silva (distance control & timing) and so on ...................

This transition comes naturally to some fighters , i.e. dos Santos , he has developed a style in the sport where he dominates a fight with range , speed , timing , and key decision making when attacking , this makes him a dangerous striker for MMA , because he's worked out the intangibles that require him to be a good striker in the sport i.e. the true fundamentals

I do not beleive Overeem has done this to the level of Jr , i simply dont , FYI that list above is much more extensive but i think that tells you what im getting at right ???