Schaefer - "It's not going to be Guerrero,"

Na, mid 160's.

Floyd isn't really a natural Welter in the modern era either. Barely goes back above 147, compared to someone like Jones who is 6 foot and probably goes a stone above, Clottey who's in the 160s etc.

Or rather he may be natural at his weight, but most boxers aren't.

 

For me, 'natural' means 'what could be make on the same day and still be okay'.

For example: Brandon Rios is a 'natural' Welterweight in all probability.

24 hour weigh in's are all about 'who can cut the most' not who is at their natural fighting weight. Martinez and Floyd, in any other era, would be middles and welters respectively. IMO of course, and as I said earlier, this kinda' stuff is all speculation :good

 

It's no co-incidence that most of the best fighters in the world at the moment are the notable non-weight cutters :yep

 

Yeah, but still, compared to the rest currently competiting and what someone can cut, I'd see them as small Welters and Middles. Which is why I said Marquez wasn't at a massive size advantage vs Pacquiao, because despite fighting at Lightweight he came into the ring at 145 against Katsidis and Pacquiao doesn’t really cut any more.

But yeah, natural was right, still small in comparison.

 

It's a frustrating time and era in and around Floyd's weight class. There are question marks over nearly everyone and any fight he makes will have some sort of anti-climactic feel about it.

Pacquiao two years ago, and Cotto four years ago, would've been great fights, but as you said, Floyd doesn't care.

 

:good

Exactly. Sergio, Pac, Floyd and Marquez. Donaire might well be but at the moment he's shellacking midgets.

 

Without question.

Cotto would probably want a fair whack to take the fight, might put it beyond reach.

I'm not sure why fighters do it, all four of them are still going strong at the tail end of their careers after over 50 fights (aside from Floyd) and aren't showing real signs of wear and tear.

Well, not to the point where they'd lose badly to a vastly inferior fighter, that is.

 

Floyd came in over the stipulated weight and Marquez hadn't out the weight on. A good win with hindsight though.

 

Yeah, but I think at that point he hadn't naturally built up to the same extent, tried to rush the weight on and didn’t benefit from it. After that he showed he could put on a similar amount but still be effective.

Hard to judge because we don't know their weights on fight night (I'd guess he was smaller than against Pacquiao) but I think to a certain extent the size wasn't as important as percieved.

 

IMO, yes.

 

He’s not is he? I’m fairly sure him and Barker were both circa 165 on fight night.