Straight Right/Overhand Right, Right Cross- the same?

Unless you are making the mistake of squaring off, a straight right does cross your body.

 

My point was that the lingo is not necessarily so, just because Dempsey said it. I like that book alot, but I don't hear "jolt" much in any gym -at least in these parts. Geography has much to do with this debate which is a matter of semantics more than anything else, anyway.

 

Depends where the target is. If the target is closer to the right side of your body it doesnt matter where your feet are, your not going to cross your body. If its towards the left side you will cross.

Hard to throw a straight right from a squared stance.

Theres a shoulder dropping righthand called a shovel right hand too.

A rock and roll righthand when you drop your left shoulder coming out of a hard lefthand where you drop the right shoulder and use your momentum to whip the righthand. Its usually a lefthook righthand combo shot.

 

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The right cross/straight right crosses your body -that doesn't mean you throw it across your chest at a target that is at your left -that's a weak right hand. It merely means that the fist is further back from the left and "crosses" to the target. That's it. Anyone want to use different terminology, that's fine too.

 

All depends on the coach and the technique.

Some trainers will tell you that a straight right and a right cross is the same punch. The word "cross" means that the right hand crosses your body over the jab hand distance wise from the correct boxing stance. The follow-through with the right hand is most important because this is where the weight transfer factor makes the punch. The finish is on the left side of the body, just like a hook finishes with the power on the right side, following through the punch.

The overhand right is not really a straight punch, but treated a bit like the left hook. The punch involves almost the same half circular motion, only difference with the palm to the floor(like McGrain says), as opposed to the palm to the face like the hook. The main difference with the straight punch and overhand right is that the overhand right is more of a chopping down punch, usually for the taller, rangier boxers. Shorter fighters can use this punch effectively too but it's not recommended out of a crouch. A swarming fighter can't maximize the effect of an overhand right in a ducking position or off of a shoulder slip. It's almost a wasted punch to the chest that is easily parried by a skilled opponent.

Ali's overhand right was not a full overhand but a chopping punch he used effectively against Liston.


Straight right and lead right are the punch. One comes without the jab attached. See Tim Witherspoon. He was known for his overhand right.

 

actualy he called the falling step lead left straight a jolt, so he called one shot a jolt.

and thats fine with me as im sure no one else has named the falling step lead left straight...

and according to the boxers of history past a right cross is called a right cross because it crosses over the jab.

most mangas even understand this with both ashito no joe and hajime no ippo both distinctly showing that the right cross is a counter.

yes origional terms are diffrent then contempory usage, dosnt make it any less of a shame that most coaches use the 2 terms interchangable when there is a destinct diffrence between the 2...no less a shame that the history of boxing techniques that have been around since homer wrote the odessy are dissapearing because of uneducated coaches that just dont care.

can you even tell me the diffrence between a left straight and a jab?

 

Armstrong is a great call on the overhand right. Marciano is another more obvious one.

 

he means like the target is so far left that your elbow touches your chest when you throw the right, thats what your not supposed to do.

where as crossing your chest, is normal. like picture a dude holding the pads, your right hits the pad on their right hand. thats the proper crossing your chest....but really this is just a normal right straight.

a right cross is a counter where your over hand right crosses over your opponets jab.

 

I can tell you lots of things.

 

This is pretty much as I understand it.

 

Thanks.

Ylem and plenty of others call a right counter over a jab "a right cross." I call it a counter right because I think it is a tighter term. Using the straight right and right cross interchangeably makes Ylem very upset, but that's only because he's rigid.

Consider the conventional stance. The left hand is in front and shoots out from the body. The right hand shoots across your body for the simple reason that it is positioned further back.

When you shoot the right, your right heel should be lined up with your opponent's chin. That is one reason why you see two conventional fighters moving to their respective lefts, they are lining up that right with each other's chin and trying to break the other guy's angle. To get there, you'll see a fighter jab and then step or pivot to his left before shooting the right. Hearns did this -he'd jab and hold it there to blind the opponent for that second before he stepped over and the right came smashing in to the chin.

 

Straight Right/Cross are basically the same thing(they are the same thing to most people) in the gym the cross more a short range right that crosses your body and their lead hand and a straight usually describing a longer range straight with good technique down the middle. Boxers can opt to call a straight right where fighters prefer the cross

Overhand right naturally a punch moving above the straight path of standard right hand. its over body even the head. Very powerful motion