Did mike ever fight someone who could jab or move as good as douglas?

Tyson looked pretty bad against Bruno. I would give Douglas a pretty good shot in that fight. The Williams fight never really got started.

 

Let's not forget that Tyson had Douglas down for quite a while. Even in poor shape against the primest Douglas there was he almost had him out of there. And people are really over-selling Douglas here. His brief rise met a Tyson going off the rails. Good timing was his best attribute.

 

I agree.

Douglas looked so good because Tyson looked so bad

Tyson looked so bad because Tyson he hadnt been training, not due to Douglas

 

The 8th round was not great at all. That is nonsense.

 

He took a great beating and kept coming back for more

All he proved was he had great (underrated) heart and chin. He also had desire.

Something he lacked after prison.

It was a poor mans Bowe-Holyfield

 

I agree with that but a lot of people dont think so. People seem to think Douglas presented some style Tyson had never seen before yet Douglas had already lost to a good amount of guys who Tyson beat rather easily and Tyson did in fact face a lot of big guys who could jab and move pretty good.

Tyson just didnt show up for the fight and let Douglas get his wheels rolling. Douglas became pretty brave after finding Tyson so easy to hit. Even Douglas knew he had to get up and finish the fight as he would never get that kind of chance again with Tyson. Buster was one of the nicest guys in boxing so it couldnt have happened to a better guy its just ashame he did the exact same thing Tyson did when he faced Holyfield and didnt show up but it is kind of funny that Douglas and his people use the excuse that Douglas wasnt prepared for Holyfield but refuse to believe Tyson wasnt prepared for them.

 

You dont think Douglas had a part to play in that?

what it took to take Tyson at that time was a seasoned, world class, fast footed box-fighter strong enough to really stand up to Tyson and there were not a lot of those around at that time.

Tucker and Tillis had given Tyson the most problems up untill that point but everyone else was either a little too shop worn, a little too inactive, a little too untested, not quite strong enough or a bit too intimidated for the job.

Douglas had improved since losing to Tucker and was showing more desire. It is not that complicated. To win Buster had to be good enough to prove he could do better than Tucker and Tillis and on the night he proved he was. As great as Tyson was, Thats it.

 

Tucker didnt give Tyson any problems he just didnt get knocked out.

Tillis fought Tyson before he even won the title. Are you saying Tyson didnt improve either? Tyson improved after the Tucker fight until he left Rooney. It wa pretty clear he started to fall apart shortly after.

Douglas was no better than most of the guys Tyson beat.

Douglas didnt show up for Holyfield the same way Tyson didnt show up for him only Douglas had a spare tire to prove it and Tyson still looked like a bulldog.

Would you say Douglas was at his best for Holyfield?

 

Well said. :good

 

This was a good measured win by Tyson but Tucker prevented Tyson from looking super. This was because Tucker was a fast long range fighter in his prime. Unlike Holmes, Tubbs, Thomas and Biggs Tucker could still beat good fighters.

Tyson did improve but Tillis showed a defiant toughness and resistance in this fight. Tillis had seasoning and was able to stand up to tyson, he could move, was game and was not afraid to mix it up. A better level fighter with bigger and better tools would do as well even if Tyson had improved - which he did.

No better in terms of who they once were. Douglas however was better in that he was on a good winning run against rated fighters, past and future belt holders. Thats how he was over looked as being able to cause an upset. I am sure max schmeling also was against joe louis. Nobody else had Tyson buying feints like douglas did. Unlike the other chalengers buster was honed against good fighters going in to the title fight.

Tyson showed up but douglas got the upper hand early and did not let him back into the fight. Tyson went into his shell because he was being punished for buying feints. He could not discourage Buster at all. Douglas trapped him in a no mans land where he could reach Tyson but Tyson could not reach him. even inside he punished Tyson and shrugged him off. Then when Tyson did almost knockout Douglas, Buster came back at him the next round. If Tyson never showed up he could not have got back into the fight.

Douglas got what he deserved against Holyfeild but then he had achieved his goal, unlike Tyson he was not kid dynamite on a mission to go down in history. Douglas wasnt in Tysons shape because he couldnt come back at Holyfeild like Tyson did after taking a pounding for so many rounds. Tyson hit him harder than evander did but buster wasnt in any condition to even be fighting. He was awful not because he lost but just because he was awful. zero efort.

 

Looking super? Tyson didnt look super against Smith either it didnt change the fact he dominated both fights. Your post is one sided and full of bias. Tubbs was coming into the Tyson fight with a pretty stellar record. He hadnt lost in two years and the loss was a close one to Tim Witherspoon. He wouldnt lose another fight for three years after the Tyson loss.

More bull****. Tyson was pro for just over a year when he faced Tillis who was a 39 fight veteran. He wasnt the only one who stood up to Tyson.

More bull****. Yeah Douglas was the only one of all of Tysons challengers that was properly prepared to face him. atsch

So its a better excuse because Douglas came in to the fight in poor shape and didnt even try rather than coming into the fight in bad shape and trying? Tyson of course had more to lose than Douglas, but the comparisons are pretty similar only you and many on here seem to excuse Douglas for not preparing well but not Tyson.

Tyson overlooked Douglas. He didnt prepare correctly and paid the price just like Douglas did against Holyfield. Had it been Holyfield in Tokyo Im sure Douglas would have performed a lot better against him just as if it were Douglas in Atlantic City in 1988 Tyson would have walked over him just as he did Spinks. Douglas was not that good his record proves so.