Joe Louis's chin is it underrated?

Floyd was only ever kept down by Johansson, Liston and Ali. Not tooooo bad. Plenty of other reasonable fighters couldn't stop him.

Sometimes it's all about the level of those who drop you as fighters. Greats can be dropped by average fighters who don't have the class to finish. When someone is put down by a great fighter who can also finish and survives it's mighty impressive.

 

i'd put Ali's chin above Holmes, Larry was down at times but also had that brilliant recuperation and ability to fight when hurt.

Ali was something else, he took big punches from greats and took them well. Frazier dropped him but that was very late in a gruelling battle. some would have struggled getting up that late in such a battle royale.

 

I learnt a new word today.

 

Baer also headbutted Louis. Hard.

 

It is certainly underrated if you ask me, it took either a very hard puncher like Marciano ,Baer, Shmelling. Or a very good sharp punchers like Walcott. It took a good fighter and a good puncher to knock him down or out.

 

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That. You have to do a lot better than "not glass" to do what he's done, take what he's taken, for all those years, on the championship level. You really have to. It's not like he was Pernell Whitaker on the D. It has to be well above average. No powers of recuperation stop you from being taken out by elite fighters over that long, when you're getting hit flush and hurt, for that time period.

You scallywag.

 

But that's just it we're talking about the championship level, where obviously weaker opponents get weeded out, I'm aware of this. Since we are talking about this level of fighters i rate it at that level which i think i did fairly. You also raised another point about his defense which is probably the most underrated thing about Louis he blocked and parryed very well which also helps you from getting KTFO. Add to this the greatest offense of the whole division and it helps you out alot

If i had to give his chin a rating it would be a 6.5 - 7.0 which i think is fair...

 

Yeah, 7/10 is fair IMO

 

I think it was quite average for world champions who dominated their division for a dozen years. Not quite glass, exactly, at least.

 

Very few. More like one. Baer was horrible in that fight. Williams landed much harder shots on Liston.

 

ring record book lists him as beening floored many more times than 2 try 12 .

 

If you think that Baer only landed one clean shot then you need to go back and watch the fight again.

However you try to spin it, he took shots from arguably the hardest hitter of allo time and they did not phase him.

 

6.5-7 realative to what?

If we are talking relative to heavyweights generaly, then it is obviously much higher.

Even relative to other heavyweight champions, it would be a little silly to rate it at 6.5. This is a fighter who put his chin on the line against more elite fighters than any other heavyweight in history, and was still only stopped after sustained beatdowns against elite punchers.

I think that 8 would be the verry minimum.

Frankly, a lot of Louis's critics are living in a fantasy world when it comes to his chin.