Anderson Silva: I don't see anyone in Brazil that can beat Jon Jones

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  1. Will Cooling

    Will Cooling Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You mean when he kept talking about wanting to move up to middleweight, starting openly putting on additional muscle, had Dana announce that his next fight after Shields would be Silva but when Silva looked awesome against Belfort and GSP struggled against Sonnen in training decided against moving up?
     
  2. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    BJ (face of 155) fought Hughes and GSP (face of 170), Silva (face of 185) was committed to a campaign at 205 because the division looked weak but then the whole "I won't fight Lyoto thing happened" and 185 got stronger. Couture fought Liddell (face of 205) and popular HWs. Henderson (face of Pride MW and LHW) also went up and down to unify titles.

    I think back in the day compelling match ups saw weight jumps amongst the top faces. Contenders often jump up and down to find their best weight but this is the first time where I think it is clear the face of each division won't jump up and down.

    Only real possibility of a weight jump today might be Edgar and Aldo to 145 and 155 respectively.
     
  3. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or Russia or Japan or Timbuktoo
     
  4. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    He always danced around the subject. Sometimes you'd get a clear response, sometimes he'd use the "I'm only thinking of my next fight" line.

    GSP has put on the extra muscle he talked about and has been at a BIG weight for a long time now. GSP cuts from about 190-192 now adays!

    I think all the that has changed since the talked to death GSP-Silva fight is that both their divisions got much deeper as the talk went on. Both of them went from having no compelling match ups to GSP having Shields, Diaz and Condit while Silva has Sonnen, Belfort and Henderson.
     
  5. Will Cooling

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    As I said - champions have not frequently moved weight classes with their belts in the UFC. Of the examples you've actually only got three fights of UFC Champions moving weight - BJ Penn vs GSP II and then Silva's two lightweight fights. And its not like there's any more examples in the fifteen year history of the organisation. Moves like Couture in 2003 will still happen - he was a fighter who if he stayed at heavyweight he'd no longer be in title contention, so he moved down in weight to stay relevant. I mean we've just seen BJ try to pull the same trick with a move to welterweight.
     
  6. Will Cooling

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    No he was bulking up to move up. His camp brought Sonnen in to train with him last year to see how he'd do at middleweight. Sonnen tooled him because GSP can't match his strength or reach. GSP realised it was a bad idea and dropped it.

    But I agree most suggested weight moves are panic responses to a temporary lack of challengers. Both GSP and Silva have ridden dry spells and the marketable challengers have re-emerged. Although I don't think Henderson is a serious contender for a middleweight title shot - he couldn't have been clearer that he doesn't see his future there in the long term
     
  7. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Fair point about them being champions, which is why I said the face of the division.

    There aren't that many examples because in my opinion there aren't that many real big faces, the sport is still young and even though Dana said in the UFC the best fight the best 3 times a year that was VERY often not the case so there weren't as many fights going on as we are made to believe.
     
  8. achillesthegreat

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    But GSP has long trained with fighters at 185 and 205 (Marquardt, Evans, Loiseau etc). I doubt Sonnen was the litmus test.

    I don't think Hendo is a serious 185er and the cut and age don't help. Its a compelling match up that the UFC could and would sell. I can see Rogan on the countdown talking about how amazing Hendo is, the H bomb and how Hendo was troubling Anderson pre sub.
     
  9. Will Cooling

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    There may not be many superstars in the sport's history but there's been plenty of guys who have established themselves as 'the guy' but since the institution of weight classes moves in weights have been for a specific reason rather than a desire to make P4P dream matches.

    When Penn fought Hughes there was actually no lightweight division for him to compete in after his and Uno's drawn fight the year before. Couture lost two title fights in a row at heavyweight, he moved down for light heavyweight (also Ortiz was surely the face of 205Ibs at that point). He retired after losing two title fights and was brought back to heavyweight because there was no-one to face Tim Sylvia. Anderson Silva was doing terrible on pay per view and so not making that much money, so the UFC fed two light heavyweights to increase his profile.

    What you didn't have was say Chuck Liddell or Tito Ortiz moving up to heavyweight while holding the belt. Hell Matt Hughes and Rich Franklin didn't even fight each others in a champion vs champion match when they coached opposite each other.
     
  10. Will Cooling

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    Problem is that Henderson won't stay at middleweight so you're risking damaging your title for a fight that probably won't draw that much above Anderson's normal range. After all Henderson may be a great fighter but he's never been a tremendous drawing card. Beside Jones needs him as a challenger more than Silva.
     
  11. AJAX

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    I don't think anyone is calling for Hendo-Silva anyhow. The first fight was good but not enough to say has a great chance. The biggest fight by far is Sonnen-Silva and even munoz and Bisping are there.

    Not to mention, Hendo is in line at 205 and if Hendo moves down that would almost clean out the LHW division for the near future.
     
  12. Count Pacula

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    Still doesn't make sense to me because 185 is not deep and Anderson has little or no competition. Hell, Dana once said he'd MAKE Silva fight Machida (when Lyoto was the man 205) if the fans clamor for it. That's the old Dana I admire. Silva is at the tail end of his career anyway so Dana is going to lose his star soon. I can understand if we're dealing with a young star like Aldo but Anderson doesn't have many fights left. Why not cash out especially when Silva-Jones is one of the biggest fights that can be made?

    I can't complain too much about Dana's matchmaking since he's done an amazing job overall. But he is starting to show signs of Bob Arum-like schemes by protecting his star fighter(s).
     
  13. The Spider

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    Like it or not that is exactly where things are at :deal
     
  14. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    185 has Sonnen-Bisping in line for a title shot, Belforts next win puts him in line for a title shot, same for Munoz. After those 3 possible defences I'm sure someone new will have appeared.
     
  15. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    The only people who count to Anderson are from Brazil, all others are not worthy.