Freddie Roach is one of the most overrated trainer of recent years

He is a very good trainer, has trained many good and great fighters but their is a glaring fact to me.....Most the guys he trains are/were already accomplished amatuers or pros before they got to him.....Virgil Hill, Mike Tyson, Manny Pacquaio, Amir Khan, James Toney etc......He has done great but imo it is a bit inflated especially considering he is training Manny Pacquiao who had already won a title before getting with him.....Trainers like Emmanuel Steward, Teddy Atlas, and Angelo Dundee had guys they developed from the very start and made them standout amatuers, then pros, and some HOFers

 

Since he has been with Roach he has not changed much as a fighter so who is to say he wouldnt have been as successful... he still has a porous jab, defense and right hand altogether..Manny beat the lineal flyweight champion before ever getting with Roach and was a starved kid back then....if anything roach did was have him better nutritioned and fighting in a better weight class......its rare a fighter wins their second title 3 divisions away from his first title even the little guys......Manny always had the talent and already proved it....Atlas, Steward or even a 2nd tier top trainer would have helped him win other titles, he is was that naturally gifted and determined regardless who trained him

 

By name, but in all fairness its not who you beat but when you beat them.......Cotto was coming off a bad showing against Clottey and a beating from Margarito so at least his psyche if not physical was shot, JMM got dominated by Mayweather, struggled with Katsidis and two wars with Diaz they thought he'd lost a step....he did, he sure isnt the guy he was at 126-130.......As far Morales and Barrera had he fought them in their prime we wouldnt even be talking about pacquiao, there wars with each other took alot out of them.......the Manny at featherweight that beat them would be hard pressed to have defeated them around or before the time of their first fight when both were still young and very few wars

 

agreed.....DLH looks so unnatural trying to shoulder roll lol...thats why i said one of the most overrated....Snr tries to make everyone use his defensive posture or too defensive and both always get guys after they have already had some success in the pros

 

Mad lol....about what....plus who even brought up Mayweather....read the thread next time its about Roach....please dont turn this into another Pac/May thread for gods sake.....just for fun....name one fighter Roach started with at the beginning of their career and turned them into a champion.....ONE

 

well my friend that about sums it up:deal