Black & White footage of British Boxers

teeto · Jan 23, 2012

Scottrf said: ↑

Ah OK, thought I read that, looks like it's wrong :good
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haha how's that? Have you calculated it or something? Don't hate on my parade ******. Dammmm son, you be hating on my dam parade, wow.

Scottrf · Jan 23, 2012

teeto said: ↑

haha how's that? Have you calculated it or something? Don't hate on my parade ******. Dammmm son, you be hating on my dam parade, wow.
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I meant I read Emile Griffith holding the record, and that must be wrong.

ero-sennin · Jan 23, 2012

Great thread. I've been meaning to find out more about the classic fighters for a while now. The poor quality footage has always put me off but it's fascinating to listen to stories about these guys. I won't contribute since I know **** all about these guys, but will check out all these fighters.

teeto · Jan 23, 2012

Scottrf said: ↑

I meant I read Emile Griffith holding the record, and that must be wrong.
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I thought you were trying to end our friendship there:|

On a serious note though, it must be one of them that fought the most championship rounds if you read it was griffith and I read it was Dixon. Maybe someone else knows?

teeto · Jan 23, 2012

ero-sennin said: ↑

Great thread. I've been meaning to find out more about the classic fighters for a while now. The poor quality footage has always put me off but it's fascinating to listen to stories about these guys. I won't contribute since I know **** all about these guys, but will check out all these fighters.
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If you wanted you could always check out the classic fighters who are in colour as opposed tot he black and white ones. Footage of the likes of Napoles and Zapata and them is the ****.

antcull · Jan 23, 2012

Anyone know of some good footage from British Pathe? Their website has got loads of clips of British boxers. I watched some clips on Peter Keenan not too long ago, Scottish bantamweight legend and ruler of the domestic division in the 50s. He's the only Scotsman to win 2 Lonsdale belts outright and he looks a great fan-friendly fighter from the limited clips of him. Doesn't look like the fighter that would give you inch in a fight and had some decent pop in his right hand. Lost his only challenge for a world title to Vic Toweel in 1952.

Some footage of him....

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/keenan-kos-osullivan - Knocking out Danny O'Sullivan to win the British Title in 1951

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/keenan-outpoints-frenchman - winning the vacant Euro belt in 53

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/keenan-k-os-kelly - Stopping John Kelly in a rematch after he had lost to him on points a year earlier

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/special-for-scotland-keenan-keeps-his-title - Great footage, 7 mins of highlights from his defence against George O'Neill.

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/keenan-k-os-tuli - Stopping some hard African dude, looked like a very tough fight!

Most the clips are only 1-2 minutes long apart from the 7 minute highlight but it's all well worth a watch, would love to see a full fight of his to get a better understanding of what kind of fighter he was.

Vano-Irons · Jan 23, 2012

Nice Driscoll piece Teeto!

AlFrancis · Jan 23, 2012

I've acually got some colour footage of the second Rudkin vs McGowan fight but we're only doing b/w on here aren't we?

teeto · Jan 23, 2012

Vano-Irons said: ↑

Nice Driscoll piece Teeto!
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Nice one mate, glad you liked it

AlFrancis · Jan 23, 2012

teeto said: ↑

Ok then, the peerless one. Jim Driscoll was nicknamed Peerless, because in his setting, he was said to be just that.

So there's hardly any footage of the great Jim Driscoll, all we have to go off in terms of empirically evaluating his ability is a schooling of a non great opponent, and it's black and white so **** yeah it qualifies for this thread.

Some background on Jim Driscoll before we get into the footage. Contemprary accounts and reports from his era of his fights have him firmly placed as a boxing master. Not a defensive minded fighter per se, but more so a great ring general who had a great defense. He seems to have been a master of feinting, and from what I can see, positional sense.

He defeated George Dixon early in his career, whom I believe fought more championship rounds than any other fighter in history, am I right? I'm sure I've read that somewhere, and that he was actually the first black world champion too. Whatever those accompanying facts may be, what we know is that he was an all time great and that he seemed to not be able to do much with Jim Driscoll.

Whilst Driscoll was plying his trade as a young man, the world champion was a great one, and an active one. Abe Attell compiled an all time great resume by defending his title against the fine opposition that his era threw at him, and by fighting much more than only when his bauble was up for grabs. In 1909, Driscoll, at age 29, well versed in his profession from years of wowing his public, fought Abe Atell over ten rounds in a non title contest. Although a newspaper decision or two were actually inked in favour of Attell, there were some viewers that found the bout so one sided that Driscoll was actually recognised on his home continent as champion of the world. We'll never realyl know the nature of the fight for sure I suppose.

What I can offer you is the aforementioned boxing lesson of the less prestigious (no disrespect intended) Frank Robson. Observe;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LSDYJOFp7Q

Allow me to get technical.

What I notice more so than anything else is the ring generalship. Without excessive movement, Driscoll makes the range totally his own. He looks as though he will be a stationary target himself, until his man repeatedly steps in and shapes up to throw a punch to duly be consistently met with nothing to hit. One step here, a short slide there, and Driscoll is the one with the wide open target to smash on, and that's where his punch selection plays a role. Driscoll slides to his right at times, and smashes in a short left hook within the same motion. Driscoll also uses the elbows it seems, when his man falls in, Driscoll leans over on him, uses the elbow in a subtle manner, gains the leverage, pushes his man off, then mounts that momentum by smashing repeated right hands down the middle to the jaw, and keeps that ****ing elbow up all the time. He goes to the body in the clinch, he's a busy practitioner and he just makes it so difficult for his man to ever leave his imprint on the bout. He strips his opponent of his identity.

His jab work and his feinting are also a major factor of why and how he is the ring general in there, he commands the ring, he calls the shots, you just participate.

Legend.
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Looks well in control there old Jim! I've got a learn yourself boxing book of Driscoll and in it he says you don't even have to be a good infighter if your a master out fighter.

Flea Man · Jan 23, 2012

ero-sennin said: ↑

Great thread. I've been meaning to find out more about the classic fighters for a while now. The poor quality footage has always put me off but it's fascinating to listen to stories about these guys. I won't contribute since I know **** all about these guys, but will check out all these fighters.
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You're who this thread is designed for, as you're eager, open-minded and willing to give it a try.

Teeto's post is exactly what I was hoping for; let's you know what to loom out for (the technical analysis was boss BTW la, cheers)

Ant': Pathe is a great source, thanks :good Shame the only footage of Tommy Watson is him being given a hero's welcome rather than any in-ring footage:-(

Keep up the good work lads; hopefully those less inclined to get involved will end up getting the chance to observe some of the great fighters from our history.

I'm half and half on McLarnin BTW Teeto; does he count as 'Irish'? I never know what to classify the first wave of U.S immigrants as myself, as they became synomonous with the States. If he's fair game, I'll take the bait, certainly a brilliant black&white fighter ;-)

Flea Man · Jan 23, 2012

AlFrancis said: ↑

I've acually got some colour footage of the second Rudkin vs McGowan fight but we're only doing b/w on here aren't we?
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How about you post it ANYWHERE?!?!

Not in this thread, as otherwise the floodgates will open ;-) But I guarantee I don't speak for myself only when I say I'd love to see it :good

Flea Man · Jan 23, 2012

And Ant :bowdown Will HAVE to check out that footage of Keenan, who fought in a Bantamweight era I'm interested in, cheers mate.

teeto · Jan 23, 2012

Flea Man said: ↑

You're who this thread is designed for, as you're eager, open-minded and willing to give it a try.

Teeto's post is exactly what I was hoping for; let's you know what to loom out for (the technical analysis was boss BTW la, cheers)

Ant': Pathe is a great source, thanks :good Shame the only footage of Tommy Watson is him being given a hero's welcome rather than any in-ring footage:-(

Keep up the good work lads; hopefully those less inclined to get involved will end up getting the chance to observe some of the great fighters from our history.

I'm half and half on McLarnin BTW Teeto; does he count as 'Irish'? I never know what to classify the first wave of U.S immigrants as myself, as they became synomonous with the States. If he's fair game, I'll take the bait, certainly a brilliant black&white fighter ;-)
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Nice one lad, glad you liked it. Well I just go by where they were born like and he was born in Ireland so yeah. If you wanna do someone else though just go for it, it's bound to be good whatever you do.

sugarsean · Jan 23, 2012

Dave Charnley would be whopping ass in todays lightweight division

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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehmiQYN9Pdg&feature=related[/ame]

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