How do you rate Azumah Nelson?

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  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Yesterday I was watching a few of Azumah's fights.

    Specifically the spirited, brave and impressive late notice showing against Sanchez.

    The great win over Wilfredo Gomez in Puerto Rico. I know some may consider Gomez past prime and certainly above peak weight, but I wouldn't at all say he was a soft touch at this point. Top draw win.

    The debated first win over the underrated Villasana and more impressive rematch performance.

    Brutal beating of McDonnell (brave, brave performance by Jim btw).

    Fenech I and II, and certainly I should emphasize how Azumah seemed to get the measure of opponents in rematchs, notwithstanding the horrificly past prime third showdown.

    I don't think he ever took a humiliating loss where he performed without merit, ever. Even against Pea.

    Azumah was the type of fighter I appreciate most, one that seems to blend offense and defence fairly seamlessly. Occasionally his offense veered onto the more reckless and agricultural side rather than refined, but defensively he's hideously underrated and in combination with his strength, chin, fighting spirit, imposing ring presence and solid punch power he was a monster truck of a fighter.

    Comments on his career/ability/style, videos, pictures here.

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  2. Tommy Bannister

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  3. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    "i did to him like i said it before. then i will beat him and then after that i will show him his mistakes"
     
  4. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6fIc46B7sg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6fIc46B7sg[/ame]
    hourish long documentary


    great music
     
  5. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He was as strong as a welterweight and his jab was as strong as a right hand, he applied steady, intelligent pressure behind a strong jab and very rarely made mistakes or left himself open to be countered. He was a sharp puncher. He could also use a flicking jab (LaPorte fight) very effectively. He'd have hurt McGuigan...

    Great fighter ;)
     
  6. Flea Man

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    His defence looked particularly ace in the 2nd Villasana fight IMO, which was a complete domination and Nelson completely tooled him.

    Pretty much agree with the general sentiments in the OP. The first Fenech fight is a great fight, the second showed how Fenech had left it all in the ring first time round and Azumah was unflinching in his wasting of the great Australian.

    First fight I ever saw of Nelson was the Sanchez fight; he was less measured then, but it made for a GREAT fight and a great performance. He became a smarter, more refined boxer-puncher who could really lay it on thick. The McDonnell K.O is ridiculous.

    Supposedly he had some iffy ones did the teak tough man from Accra, Ghana, but I've yet to see 'em.
     
  7. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    what he said ^^

    he would have retired mcguigan
     
  8. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I reckon he would have ****ed McGuigan up, different levels of operator. Just so strong, an all time great aggressor who worked body and head simultaneously and in his prime he was a vicious puncher. Good footwork on the offensive too, I don't think it would ever have been quite good enough for a Whitaker, even if the size match up was fair, but that's far from anything to be ashamed of. Nelson must be one of the most formidable operatirs his best weights ever saw.
     
  9. sugarsean

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    Yeah he's defiantly whupping Barry ass if that fight would of ever got made,

    Where you think Nelson belongs all time at feather and superfeather, He's around 6-8 for me at feather and anywhere from 1-3 at superfeather.
     
  10. teeto

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    it's difficult to say at 126, simply because of how stacked it is, I like the likes of Pep, Saddler, Sanchez, Sadlivar, Dixon, Attell, Armstrong amongst others along with Nelson, so it really is difficult to say. I submitted my featherweight top ten all time on the classic forum all time ratings list a while ago, although I can't remember how it looks now.

    At 130, I like Nelson, Mayweather and Arguello so yeah, the top three is reasonable. I think Mayweather would beat Nelson personally. Chavez vs Nelson would be unreal, I'd favour Chavez probably, but it's a styles thing. Chavez at 135 was probably at his utmost in h2h terms.
     
  11. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah featherweight is one of the most stacked in history my top ten currently looks like this

    01. Henry Armstrong
    02. Salvador Sanchez
    03. Sandy Saddler
    04. Willie Pep
    05. Tony Canzoneri
    06. Vincente Saldivar
    07. Azumah Nelson
    08. Alexis Arguello
    09. Manny Pacquiao
    10. Marco Antonio Barrera
     
  12. teeto

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    I wouldn't have Pacquiao in there personally, I mean it's a resume issue and the way I see it, he has one immense win over Barrera, and then what I thought was a loss against Marquez. I only go by how I saw the fights though so if you saw his Marquez fight differently then I understand. Pacquiao is a monster head to head at the weight but I don't see a way to fit him in over the likes of Abe Attell on a resume based assessment personally.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    I wouldn't have either Nelson, Pacqiuao or Barrera in there. I'd have Marcel over all of 'em personally.
     
  14. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My list are more leaned towards Hd 2 Hd than resume, I put Pacquiao in because I feel I'd be unfair to him having Barrera in and not him, I don't rate Attell at all and I have a huge dislike of him, hes a champion who benifited from the no decison era.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Pacqiuao isn't all that H2H at any of his weights IMO.