Smarter fighter: Floyd or Juan

Andre Ward is another boxer with a high ring IQ. The guy adjusts on the fly frustrates and shuts people down. He's a joy to watch in the ring.

 

why because he beat those white boys ? them dudes was beat yrs ago, just needed the right fighter to expose them. put ward in with dirrell and dawse elson and lets see if he passes with flying colors. the guys ward beat had little to no boxing brains what so ever. heart and power will only take you so far and fighting bums for 10 yrs straight will make you a shity fighter when everyone else thinks your the ****.

 

Mikkel Kessler was beaten soundly, Calzaghe beat him but not to that extent.

Kessler is still chasing Andre Wards shadow.. the defeat humbled him, Ward completely picked him apart, technically.. and I don't think Kessler has ever experienced something like it in the past.

Dirrell brings a level of athletecism that may frustrate Ward, but Wards finesse and intelligence should ultimately triumph. Dawson brings physicality, but I don't rate Dawson as a very intelligent fighter, he is however.. a big, athletic southpaw... something you have to respect.

 

More hilarity from Bobozo.


Mayweather began his career at 130. With the exception of Marquez and maybe Jesus Chavez Mayweather has been the smaller or equal sized to every opponent he has ever fought. Oscar, Mosley, Ortiz, Castillo, Corrales, ect all had an excess of 10lbs on Mayweather when they fought. Both Oscar and Mosley had a reach and height advantage to Mayweather. Diego Corrales was a giant in comparison.

Mayweather is 35 years old. You act like he's 20.

Zab Judah is physically superior to Floyd in every department. Speed, Power, slightly bigger. Floyd is what Zab Judah would be if Zab Judah had a brain.

 

Andre Ward said he watched Floyd in how to be calm in the ring. He fought very calm against Froch, a more relaxed version then the more fidgety Ward that fought Bika, Abraham and Kessler.

But yes Ward is definitely coming up on that echelon of intelligent fighters.

 

:good

I'm not one to support excuses, but he completely shut out Froch with a ****ed up left hand too.

 

Mayweather went 2-2 with Oscar in the first 4 rounds. He even won the 1st.

Judah clearly won the first 2 rounds, but Mayweather was hardly not doing anything and purposely giving them away in order to focus more on studying Zab.

It took Mayweather a little less time or about the same as Marquez to figure his man out when faced with superior physical specimen Zab Judah.

Making the right defensive choices in order to neutralize your opponents arsenal requires ring IQ. Bernard Hopkins is a professional at doing this gets credit for it. Mayweather does the same and should be recognized for it too.

 

Dumb Post!

 

I think when those two fought, Juan gave up his biggest asset when we decided he would be the one to give up the role of counter puncher. Therefore I'm going to say Floyd. I really am not a fan, but he is probably the "smartest" in ring fighter out there right now.

 

Pacquiao is still the much better fighter than Judah, and Marquez had many less defensive tools. The discussion is about intelligence, and Marquez had great innovative success against the vastly superior fighter with the vastly inferior set of physical gifts. I had Floyd dropping 3 rounds, plus the unseen knockdown. You can't compare those victories and have Floyd come out looking superior IMO, given all the athletic advantages he has at his disposal.

If you want to compare Hopkins to Floyd, look at the way Hopkins fought Pavik and Tarver, and compare it to the way Floyd fought Judah and Oscar. Hopkins neutralizes a stronger fighter throwing straight punches in Pavlik by turning him and controlling the punching angle over 12, while Floyd backed up in straight lines and was nullified for long stretches of the fight; he figured out the distance and which punches to use to win him enough rounds, but he looked bad and minimalist in that fight. Floyd ate left hand after left hand in the first 4-5 rounds against Judah and failed to get his lead foot on the outside, whereas Hopkins circled and dominated Tarver outside and inside, much like JMM did Pacquiao. To me, the gap in tactical adaptability there is obvious.

 

Don't respond to my posts until you lace up gloves and step in a ring because you're a biased fanboy who doesn't know how to talk boxing objectively.

 

Seriously guy.. you're a grown ass man coming off sounding like a 13 year old girl in love with Beiber's "talent".. :verysad

There's hardly an argument on which fighter has more ring IQ. Both are extremely intelligent and experienced.
What stands out the most on this thread is how the poll turned out. I'm not surprised as Floyd is the more popular fighter, but it does show how boxing knowledge is lacking in these forums.
Either that or people are sucking on the hype tit too much.

 

When has Marquez ever faced someone as athletically blessed as Zab? Zab has more physical gifts compared to Mayweather or pacman. Zab sits back and plays the counter-puncher which maintains his southpaw angles. He gives the toughest angles to solve for someone who is usually a potshotting counter-puncher.

pacquiao is a better fighter than Zab, and Zab isn't exactly a bum either. He's wasted talent who does class A type of work in the early parts of fights. Even HOF fighters whose styles are more suited on paper to fight Judah than Mayweather had difficulty with him early on. Tszyu was dazed by an uppercut. Cotto ate a great left upper and had to resort to intentionally low blowing as early as the 1st round to stop Judah's momentum. Mayweather used his ring IQ to take away Super's uppercut and take less punishment in his 12 whole rounds with Zab compared to the damage Tszyu/Cotto's combined took in their 13 rounds with Zab.

manny aggressively comes forward often squares his shoulders along with crossing his own feet, and does all of this at the sacrifice of southpaw angles. His reckless style of coming forward benefits counter-punchers as Marquez showed us by countering pacman lunging in.

Bernard was brought up is he's seen as the undisputed #1 or 2 highest ring IQ in boxing and praised for how brilliantly he can neutralize weapons. Mayweather may not always be able to do it as well as Hopkins, but he sure does it better than Marquez overall. Marquez has certain skills that Mayweather doesn't and vice-versa, but it takes a good head on your shoulders to figure out how to render opponents offenses ineffective and useless. Mayweather is greater than Marquez at doing that.

 

hard as ****.


PBF has the highest ring IQ today, with B-hop and JMM behind him.