This PRIDE vs. UFC stuff is silly

It happens, this is my bad.

I think you take you're Pride FC a little too personal when it comes to criticism from one of us posters.

 

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I think this thread is the closest I'll come to group therapy

 

lol !

 

This is stupid because Pride always was 'sports entertainment'. The people running it never had any pretension of trying to run a sport. While Stoo is right to say that the UFC has borrowed from WWE, pro-wrestling and MMA do not have the same relationship in America that they do in Japan.

Firstly people have to remember that pro-wrestling means something very different in Japanese culture where Inoki, Baba and Rikidozan were true sporting heroes than in America where even when it was popular pro-wrestling was looked down upon by mainstream society. And whereas Japanese pro-wrestling was become ever more realistic in the nineties, US pro-wrestling was cartoonish and full of performers barely credible as tough guys let alone competitive fighters.

Secondly people have to realize that although we treat US-MMA and J-MMA as one and the same, the reality is that the starting point for the sport in the two countries was completely differently. In America, MMA was created due to a desire on the part of the Gracies to prove that Jiu-Jitsu was superior to other combat forms in a style-vs-style tournament. In Japan, it was the logical progression of the shoot movement in puro; pro-wrestling done as if it were real. That naturally shaped the type of promotion that would have success there. So the UFC is done in an Octagon cage because its an arena that is used in no combat sport (so avoiding giving one discipline an advantage) whereas Pride used a ring because that's what pro-wrestling used. Pancrase actually maintained many of pro-wrestling's rules including rope breaks for submissions and the ban on closed-fist punches to the head.

The people in charge of Pride were responsible for putting on a show. They didn't have a former commissioner of the Nevada State Athletic Commission willing to bankroll the project because he had fallen in love with jijitsu. They either made money and thrived, or they lost money and went home. The fixed fights have to be seen in this context. We can mock them for rigging Takada fights but if they didn't give him some wins and set up the rematch with Rickson then the promotion dies before it really gets going. And that may well have destroyed the sport giving the state the UFC was in at the time.

People attacking Pride for betraying the sport are as wrongheaded as people holding it up as pure competitive alternative to the UFC. It was what it was.

 

Pro Wrestling is slightly different in that it's scripted. Fans know full well what they're going to see and ultimately it doesn't matter as its effectively 'theatre' with tables chairs and scripted violence.
The reality most fans just don't care. The pretence about corruption especially around fighters abusing drugs is just a romantic fallacy.

 

Nice try. I see what you did there. But no.

 

You do, and it's in every Pride related discussion.

 

It's true, and it snowballs into this

 

LOL, what a failed argument... !

I prefered Pride rules, I prefered how the event was made(and just to be sure some ****** try to put in my mouth that I much prefered fixed fight, what I mean is how the show was runned...the intro and stuff like that), I much prefered the intro then this POS UFC crap we still hear after too many ****in years.

But you saying I'm a Pride fanboy is just ridiculous. I'm a fan of the sport I enjoy Pride as much as I enjoy the UFC, SF, WEC, Dream, Sengoku, Pancrase....but with your lack of objectivity it doesn't suprise me at all !

What I can't stand is ******ed people disrespecting what Pride was. That is pretty much it.

 

I've never said you were a fanboy..

I quoted you because you were selling yourself as some elitist when you had no idea whether I enjoyed Pride FC or not.

 

LOL, that **** is so ****in funny, you can't even begin to grasp how funny it is.


Let me put it in answer.
You can't stand **** joke.
I can't stand lack of respect.

It's that simple !

 

If you felt like you are not part of real MMA fan, it's not my problem, if you took it personal it's not my problem.

We have a say in french, I don't know if you have the same in english but it goes more or less like this.

If the hat fit, then wear it !

 

Ok

 

You quoted me and threw that in there.. You wrote it!

Like I said.. You will say anything, and keep spinning.