Four Boxing Guru's Debate Ali Vs Tyson

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  1. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Man these guys are good

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONnXnpk96Pk[/ame]
     
  2. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  3. Guyfawkes

    Guyfawkes Than who was phone?! Full Member

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    The 1 guy was right, Ali would toy with Tyson, he might even call the round he ended the fight
     
  4. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can agree with Ali beating Tyson, and I also can agree with Ali stopping Tyson, maybe.......but not with: Prime Tyson wouldn´t last 3 rounds......

    The guy was underrating Tyson a lot.......
     
  5. Guyfawkes

    Guyfawkes Than who was phone?! Full Member

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    I agree he was underrating Tyson, but realistically Ali showed he could handle great fighters, sometimes with ease, Mike just showed he could struggle and lose against them.
     
  6. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hell no.

    In any theoretical fight, we aren't plugging in Tokyo Tyson nor the '96 version. There wasn't any sort of concentrated effort by Tyson to manuever inside or go on any type of sustained attack. He just stood there lethargically and got the **** beat out of him. The latter had lost all sense of head movement, foot work, body punching, conditioning, combinations. Basically everything that had made him a great fighter sans power.

    Ali outpoints him at best. Stay keeping those hands low though. :nono
     
  7. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In a 15 round fight ? It´s possible TAC......
     
  8. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    :dead
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    5" in height, 9" in reach, wow.

    Those guys are drunk.
     
  10. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    It's not like Mike wasn't stopped in every single one of his losses. Over 15 he's going to absorb quite a bit of punishment and is almost guaranteed to break mentally against Ali.
     
  11. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not calling it an outright impossibility, I just don't agree that it'd happen. A clean UD? Sure.
     
  12. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Mike was past prime. This is a prime for prime match up.


    :lol:
     
  13. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    He was smack in his prime when Buster dominated and stopped him. Ill-prepared? Fine, but can the past prime talk.


    :rofl
     
  14. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Tyson was past his "best" in 1990. Whether you wanna call that prime or peak he was definitely past his best.
     
  15. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He was definitely still in his physical prime. He took on and beat a far more dangerous opponent than Douglas in Ruddock and beat him twice.

    What isn't appropriate is automatically taking the Tokyo version of Tyson in a theoretical head-to-head against other ATGs when its immediately apparent he wasn't there to fight and showed none of the same in-ring characteristics he did over his 40 other fights pre and post. Douglas fought a great fight, but he wasn't the only tall guy with a reach advantage Tyson got in the ring with.

    Tyson, somewhere along the line, became so overexposed from a general media standpoint that it's become the hip thing to exclude him from "even being a top ten HW". That its all hype... the power, speed, combinations and killer instinct you see with your own eyes. That isn't real. Various newspaper accounts and such are a far more accurate gauge of ability.

    ALI TKO3. You see him knock out Sonny Liston in the first round? Oh man, what Power. :rofl