P4P Top 10 Cowardliest Boxers of All Time

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Beouche, Jan 25, 2012.


  1. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kermit Cintron has to be up there.
     
  2. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it's a tough, loaded question. i know what the OP is asking and if we can get past the "well you've never been in the ring" thing, we can answer it pretty reasonably.

    have i ever been a professional runner? no, but i can tell you who's faster or slower
    have i ever been a stand up comedian? no, but i can tell you (in my opinion) who's funnier

    i have been in a ring, just training and never boxing with professionals, and i don't think my opinion means more than someone who hasn't been in the ring at all. nor does my opinion mean less than someone who boxed with pros. you can take it or leave it, that's your call but i have every right to share it on the evidence i've seen

    having rambled about that, I think a couple of boxers including audley deserve a mention. golota, james butler and luis resto
     
  3. Bollox

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    Harrison would have stepped into the ring thousands of times in actual fights and in sparring. How much 'cowardice" is involved knowing the other guy is there to inflict as much pain on you as possible and render you unconscious? Yet he still got in there thousands of times

    We're all different in terms of how we deal psychologically with this type of situation. And since our brains are much more complex than anyone will probably ever know, I'd say we have very little control over what our subconscious compels us to do
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm not sure about that. Getting in with a nobody or an am. doesn't automatically mean you have the type of bravery you absolutely need to be world class. You don't know if you have that type of deep-wired bravery until you do it.

    If a fighter is to scared to throw punches against another fighter you need to find a word to use to describe that fighter. Coward, like bully, or racist, has additional associations which means nobody ever wants to be called it. But you need a word. Scared. Uncertain, whatever, but it all adds up to the same thing, an adjective used to describe a fighter who will never be world class due to a given flaw, like "slow" or "glass-jaw."

    "Scared" maybe, "top 10 p4p boxers who failed in boxing primarily because of their fear". But let's not get to PC about it. I hate that.
     
  5. Bollox

    Bollox Active Member Full Member

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    If we take Michael Spinks as an example....oOne of the greatest 175 Lbers ever, was so intimidated by Tyson that he barely threw a punch. I'd never even contemplate his performance as being cowardly. Scared yes, but he had no control over it and his performance reflected his psychological state which was out of his control. I reckon he was more brave than not, to even take Tyson on
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'd agree with you where that example is concerned.

    But returning to the OP's example, what about Audley's inability to throw even a punch a round against Haye, or open up against much lesser fighters because of his fear? I mean he was unable to operate at world level because of fear.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Let's look at it this way -

    A man who throws himself on top of a grenade to prevent his comrades being hurt by the explosion ranks 10/10 for bravery.

    A Russian allowing herself to be gang-raped by German para-troopers to spare her children ranks a 9/10 for bravery.

    A child undergoing bone-marrow translpants to save a sibling ranks 8/10 for bravery.

    A pro boxer fighting another pro-boxer with all his heart gets a 4/10 for bravery.

    What does a fighter who can't throw punches against another pro fighter because of fear get for bravery?
     
  8. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed. Bull**** thread from the start.
     
  9. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    cowardliest boxers. BOXERS.

    were not asking the cowardliest people of all time.

    its like say you got 10 chicks lined up and 9 of them are 10 out of 10 with one being a 9 out of 10.

    i ask you which is the worst looking of the 10 chicks and you say the 9/10 one. in no way does that mean shes a bad looking chick, but compared to the rest of the chicks she is the worst looking.

    get it? we arnt calling them cowards as compared to everyday people, but cowards compared to other boxers. in the same way some one who makes 200,000$ a year might be considered the poorest in a group of millionares.
     
  10. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    More bull****. Not for you to judge. Everyone here is uniquely unqualified to answer this.
     
  11. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    in fact its only for non boxers to judge.

    in a competition you would never have a competetor judge.
     
  12. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So.........YOU, one who hasn't had to face the dangers these guys have and have no idea what it takes to do what they do, feel somehow qualified to tell us which ones have sack and which don't? YOU know that, do ya?

    Really? Did you just say that?
     
  13. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    see its not which ones have a sack, but which ones have a smaller sack then otheres.

    see thats where the misunderstanding comes from, no ones saying these boxers dont have a sack, just that compared to the likes of say lamotta, basillio, marciano, dempsey, tyson they have a smaller sack with noticably less hair.
     
  14. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think you're quite grasping the concept. It's increasingly obvious you're never gotten in there yourself. By virtue of the fact you don't have a clue what you're talking about by virtue of personal experience, you simply can't speak intelligently about this subject, are we on the same page at all here?

    Maybe fighter X momentarily blacked out upon receiving punch which looked innocuous enough on film from the safety of your couch.....is it any of your damn business as to wheter or not he could have gotten up? How the hell would someone like YOU know?

    Ergo, you have no ability to gauge courage versus biological imperative.

    Are ya hearing me here, son? Any of this getting through?


    Dumb thread. I'm outta here.
     
  15. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i dont think your grasping the concept.

    if i made a thread called top 10 most couragious boxers, would you be in there bashing the thread topic? No.

    and any one guaging a boxers courgae because of the result of 1 punch is an idiot.