Lorenzo's $250 boxer doesn't exist - he lied

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  1. monaroCountry

    monaroCountry Guest

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    by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 23, 2012

    In their response to the ESPN Outside the Lines feature and ESPN.com article on UFC fighter pay, the UFC released the full video they filmed of the Lorenzo Fertitta interview. They also released a smaller part of the video focusing on a segment of the interview where Lorenzo tried for a big "gotcha moment" when he asked John Barr why it was okay for a fighter on the previous Friday Night Fights to have only made $275 for their four round fight. It was a meaningless point to begin with, given that ESPN has a flat budget for Friday Night Fights and the fighters are booked and paid for by the promoters, not the network.

    However, tonight I was organizing Nevada's boxing payouts for last year, putting together a database for Bad Left Hook, and I got to the event in question and noticed something.

    There was no fighter on the show who made only $275 for their fight.

    There were four fighters on the card who were in four round fights. Timothy Hall, Jr. was 2-10 in his last 12 fights and was paid $2,500 gross for his losing performance on this card. His opponent, Badou Jack, made a gross purse of $2,000. Razvan Conaju made a disclosed $500 (more on him in a moment) and his opponent Kourtney Boden scored $1,000.

    Conaju is a former Olympian from Romania and I think this is a case where the disclosed pay doesn't tell the whole story, especially given that he made $3,000 for his pro debut a few months earlier. Still, not a $275 payout.

    This isn't a huge deal, it doesn't mean I'm saying "look, I caught him in a lie!" In fact, I'd probably never have mentioned it if the "gotcha moment" weren't treated as such a heavy and legitimate argument by many UFC/MMA fans.

    Here's the official pay sheet from Nevada for the event in PDF format:
    http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/892628/Friday_Night_Fights_July_29_pay_sheet.pdf
     
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  2. Stoo

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    WAR Lorenzo! He's an OG! Showing these mooks who's BOSS!

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aV9X2d-f5g&feature=related[/ame]
     
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  3. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    $6000>$500
     
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  4. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    A payout that is $225 more than what Lorenzo stated..

    I think you're the one attempting to present a legitimate rebuttal with a document that reads $500 instead of $275 :rofl
     
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  5. rekcutnevets

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    Go morono, you are the next Eliot Ness!


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  6. Stoo

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    :-(

    Don Lorenzo and his zombies will make him bitchblike!

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  7. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    $275 didn't sound right. I was quite suprised with that comment because its well known that even journeymen in boxing earn $1-6k depending on where and when they fight. It has killed the sport and created career journeymen, which boxing claims is its backbone but is in fact not needed and brings nothing but disgrace to the sweet science.
     
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  8. Bogotazo

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    And of course the stated fact in the article that the promoters, not the networks, are the ones that guarantee the majority of a fighter's pay.
     
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  9. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    So what if Lorenzo was mistaken on who pays who?

    ESPN airs these matchups, and attempts to discredit this promotion when it comes to fighter pay? Take a look at the promotions that ESPN hires and funds.. What the journeymen, rising stars and tomato cans on FNFs are making.. A $100,000 budget for a card where half the fights are padding records, and half the boxers are cans is nothing to brag about.

    $500 is still $500.
     
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  10. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    STOP THE PRESS!!

    I spy a $225 miscalculation.. Better change that to $500!!

    :lol:
     
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  11. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Thats the disclosed amount and as mentioned it is unlikely that was his money when the lowest amount for a journeyman was $1000.
     
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  12. Jim Bowen

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    ******ed comment from Lorenzo, equivalent of Golden Boy accusing Fuel TV of not paying enough to UFC Preliminary guys.
     
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  13. Jim Bowen

    Jim Bowen MARVELOUS Full Member

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    Another difference is the pay discussed in regards to UFC is from PPV events (average around 300k buys) at $50 or so a pop is $1,500,000 revenue minimum, ESPN by your own admission is around $100,000, how is that comparable?
     
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  14. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    Compare that to a minimum of $6,000, what Matt Serra and The UFC roster are paid for by their sponsors.

    ESPN has a $100,000 budget for a handful of journeymen and mismatches, not The UFC.
     
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  15. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    FUEL TV doesn't pay the fighters on the prelims, The UFC does.
     
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