IF Tyson had a Futch, Dundee, Clancy, Freddie Brown, Steward, Turner or Kenny Adams?

I think Futch would be the one for him, Futch would do the business with Tyson style. Tyson looked good with Roach, not because Roach is a good technical trainer but he get's fighters in tip top shape. Someone like George Benton may have been outstanding for him

I wouldn't go with Steward, he only seems to do the business with tall fighters.

Although none of it matters that much if Tyson's desire is gone, that was one of his biggest drawbacks

 

Probably a Futch, or a Dundee may have made him the greatest of all-time.

 

When Tyson first started, the D'Amato peek-a-boo style was perfect for him. It maximized his talents, his quick reflexes. If Cus had lived to be 205 years old, if Robin Givens and Don King had never existed, at some point, when his reflexes slowed, that style would have quit working for Tyson. It quit working for Patterson and he quit fighting in that way. (I don't know enough about Jose Torres to comment)
The mistake that Giachetti and Roach, etc...made was in trying to turn Tyson into the "old" Tyson. Adams, who I think is vastly overrated, would've done the same thing. Dundee was a glorified hand wrapper and matchmaker. Look at how Clancy and Steward ruined the fighter Rivero was making out of DLH and tell me they could've done something with Tyson.
Futch, or Brown, or any of the smart old guys would've known what to do with Tyson, if not right after the Douglas fight, certainly when he got out of prison, and I think Tyson, himself a student of the old fighters, would've gone with it and flourished.
They would've had him fight out of a crouch, weight back, always shading to his own right, like Marciano. This makes your opponent reach with the jab and the right hand, thus easier to counter, and Mike's abilities in that area were the last to go. This also forces your opponent to move into your right hand to land punches. It keeps you out of range of the jabs and straight right hands so you don't have to constantly bob and weave and use your reflexes, but can pick when and where to make your moves.

 

Kenny Adams? Don't know about that one...Futch would have been a good one for Tyson though.

 

If Tyson had hired someone like this, he would have fired him a year later. If it hadn't been Givens and Washington, it would have been someone else.

He had some terrible flaws as a human being and was bound to do some stupid things.

 

It may have made a big difference...Don King did not help him and neither did the black Muslim movement it separated him from having some solid white trainers instead of the blood-sucking so-called -friends...remember many years after Cus died Tyson's wife found a bank account with 250K in it. It was Cus putting his own money into an account for Tyson and the wife said no-way Rory Calhoun or the other Tyson maggots would have done that......an Old school trainer like Futch or Dundee, Clancy or Stewart would have kept him strong Freddie Brown was great but real old school may have been too tough for Mike

 

The trainer would have to double to an extent as a life coach, as D'Amato did.

 

I was going to bring this up in a thread, but dint think there would be too much interest in it.

Was the Damato Tyson superior to the Rooney Tyson? Is there any proof or reason to believe this?

Also im going to post a bit of stuff from Tysons biography regarding trainers. Im off to the gym now.

Eddie Futch WAS approached by JiM Jacobs about not neccessarily training Tyson but sort of being an assistant to kevin rooney. King didnt wanna hire Futch due to the cost.

Thats why snowell was hired, because he was black and cheap.

 

This is exactly right. Tyson needed to adapt in the way all vetran fighters do. I often wonder if his time in prison caused some arested development because he seemed not to want to adapt. Instead of setting traps and drawing the opponent in and ration his pace, Tyson seemed to want to fight like a young man with energy to burn, it just made him into a 3 round fighter.

I agree, I just think mike was his own man by that point. would he listen to futch or brown?

Tyson not adapting the way he should have meant that he needed better match making. It was disasterous taking the fights thgat he did at a time in his career when he should have been more selective. Without the engine to fight flat out he should have stayed away from giants like Lewis, mcbride etc. George Foreman hung around until micheal moorer had a belt. There was no other way Foreman could have been champion, now that was a fighter smart enough to know his limitations.

 

The problem was, Tyson wasnt able to adapt, he had physical limitations which other greats didnt. Him and Frazier would never have been able to due to their size (or lack of). Guys like Ali, Foreman, Lewis and Holyfield could adapt and change style because they had the physical tools to do so.

I did read on here somewhere that Sugar shane Mosely has a longer reach than Tyson

 

Sometimes fighters click with a certain trainer. I don't think Tyson would have had the same success without Rooney. Kevin took the D'Amato style and enhanced it even more to fit Tyson's power and timing.
Tyson didn't need the massive tick tocking style he had in his earlier career. His speed and timing allowed him to be as effective with subtle head and body movements. Rooney was the right fit for Tyson it's ashame he didn't realize it.

 

futch woulda been great.....emmanuel stewart not so great better with big guys with long reach and for balance.........jesse reid woulda been great for tyson.........