Oscar at 147 vs. Pac VS Prime Oscar at 147

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  1. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And IMO he's right with most of the names on that list :huh
     
  2. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He already beat 2 of them
     
  3. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Mosley beat him as well, and he struggled to a very close decision vs a past prime whitaker hence prime pea beats oscar.
    All of the other guys are very capable of beating him as well.
    Oscar was very good but he isnt ray leonard at welter.
     
  4. Katie K

    Katie K Member Full Member

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    Lol - he used to be fit, but now he looks like a chunky school teacher :lol:
     
  5. Post Box

    Post Box I'm back too, bitches Full Member

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    Haha, you're right has the smug expression too, I've been told I resemble a young Hoya, I'll have you know :cool:
     
  6. Katie K

    Katie K Member Full Member

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    :yep
     
  7. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cokes and Starling, no. The rest yes.
     
  8. HawkFan16

    HawkFan16 Unshot/In My Prime Full Member

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    Hearns: Beats Oscar. DLH's only shot at beating Hearns would be to try catch him early (basically a Mayorga-style bum rush), which would be a risky, dangerous strategy to try on someone who hit as hard as Hearns, but if he can't do that, Hearns wears him down and stops him late. DLH would be unable to outbox a man so much bigger and longer than him, and would have to try and brawl with him. DLH's below average right would be a problem for him here, as even with Hearns' weak chin and the way he carried his left hand low, Oscar would have trouble exploiting it.

    SRR: Beats Oscar. GOAT, so Oscar would lose.

    Whitaker: Oscar loses at any weight below 147. Oscar imo fought a bad fight vs. Whitaker (even if that was a past prime Whitaker) by following his corner's advice and staying on the outside. His most notable successes in that fight tended to happen when he was working in close with uppercuts or when he switched southpaw on Whitaker, neither of which he did often enough, instead electing to try and box with the superior boxer. Oscar could beat him at 147 with the right game plan, and would beat him at 154, but cannot beat him at 135 or 140.

    SRL: Very fast guys gave Oscar fits, and few are faster than SRL. SRL by decision, 8-4 or 9-3.

    Duran: If Duran shows up motivated in good shape, he beats Oscar. Oscar was not a good infighter, Duran was, and Oscar was not very physically strong at 147 or 154 either, and Duran is the GOAT at 135. In short, Oscar can't keep a focused Duran from getting inside on him. Oscar loses by competitive, but clear decision.

    Benitez: Is a bad matchup for Oscar, but like Duran you never know if a focused, in shape Benitez shows up or not. Oscar would lose at 140-147, but he has a better shot at 154 (though a focused Benitez still beats him in my mind). Benitez was very elusive, around the same size and he hit harder than Whitaker, and could get Oscar's respect.

    Starling: DLH can outbox Starling. DLH's taller, longer frame and jab would be the key here.

    Mosley: DLH had a bad strategy for the first Mosley fight, trying to trade with a guy who's basically a brawler with killer handspeed and a granite chin, which was a horrendous tactical decision largely borne out of DLH being sick of people calling him a coward after the Trinidad fight. We all saw DLH clearly outbox a roided Mosley the second time. Prime DLH boxing would even more clearly befuddle a clean Mosley.

    Napoles: Barring a cut, Napoles outboxes DLH to a decision win at 147. At 154 it's closer and Oscar has a better shot. But Napoles always cut easily, and DLH (much like Pac nowadays) seems able to easily open up cuts with his punches, even when he can't knock a guy down or out early. Interesting fight, but I favor Napoles.

    Pacquiao: 130-140, Pacquiao takes it. DLH was very drained at 130, while Pacquiao was a huge guy at all of those weights and not drained. Also, DLH's technique was pretty underdeveloped for much of his run in the lower weights, which would play into Pac's hands. By 147 though, his skills had improved enough, and Pacquiao would be outsized and controlled by DLH's boxing skills/length and lose a decision. At 154, 2001-2003, it's no contest. That was the most skilled, well-rounded Oscar we've ever seen, and he'd steamroll Pacquiao and stop him around the 7th or 8th.

    Cokes: Close, but I favor DLH. Cokes lost to many lesser fighters close to what should have been his prime years.

    Griffith: Interesting fight because of DLH's greater length, speed, and boxing ability contrasted with Griffith's physical strength. Griffith could certainly rough Oscar up in close and get the better of it there, but Griffith was not a huge puncher by any stretch, and Oscar tended to do well versus guys he was bigger than and weren't slick, which would allow him to establish his jab. Toss-up.

    Gavilan: Gavilan has to be favored. Bigger than Oscar and someone who wouldn't be fazed by his power, sound boxing ability. Gavilan by decision.

    Basilio: A short, small, come-forward type of fighter who didn't hit like a truck. DLH shined against those types of guys. He'd outbox Basilio and take the decision at 147.

    Ross: Again, somebody smaller than DLH who wasn't a massive, devastating puncher/slick as hell would be difficult to favor over him.
     
  9. big_AL

    big_AL P4P #1 Full Member

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    i disagree with some things but overall excellent analysis :good

    particularly with the pacquiao and mosley analysis,i agree commpletely with those assements
     
  10. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whitaker was p4p #1 when they fought. Hadn't lost in years. You can say that was the end of his prime but he was still champ and rated #1. That's a hell of a guy to beat at that stage of his career. Not like when Tito beat him. ANd you can also say Oscar wasn't fully developed yet and just starting his prime.
    Mosley beat him one out of 2 fights, and Mosley beats some of the greats also on any given day.
     
  11. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    no pic no care
     
  12. Post Box

    Post Box I'm back too, bitches Full Member

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    I only said it to get one step closer to Katie K's knickers, In reality I look like a ****.
     
  13. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Your saying tyson fury looks like a ****?
     
  14. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Great analysis man:good
     
  15. Post Box

    Post Box I'm back too, bitches Full Member

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    oh no you didnt. :rofl

    don't listen to him Katie baby its lies I tell you, lies!