Welliver Beats Down Mensah, Forces Him To Flee Ring In The 10th

A guy desperate for tv exposure, partly bases himself now in China where they're going to censor his fights from being shown.

I think someone is giving you a sign

Good luck getting anyone with a pulse to come there and fight you, I don't see it happening......literally:rofl

 

A fight against Ustinov means going to Europe to play the "B" side. No competent manager of an up-and-coming prospect would put his fighter in that position.

Looks like Roland and Chauncy have home bases (Pacific NW, NZ, and China), a world rating, and regional belts. Thus, they're looking for opponents to play "B" side for them, not the other way around. Nothing wrong with that.

For this same reason, Chauncy vs Boytsov is unrealistic.

Keep in mind that K2 and Universum would never, under any circumstances, let their guys fight in US, NZ, or China. The Germans maintain 100% control over the circumstances in which their boxers fight.

 

Then why is Banks being thrown in as a potential fight? Banks is promoted by K2, which is Ukrainian btw not German. If Banks can be discussed, so could Ustinov. But you are right, I don't see them going to Pacific rim for a fight against Welliver and his worthless trinkets.

IMO the one here without a big name promoter is Welliver, he needs to be taking measures to get these fights at any cost, and he needs to be willing to travel to Germany or wherever to get them. He would be better served by relocating himself to a real HW boxing market.

 

You are correct that Banks enjoys the same protection in Europe as Ustinov and Boytsov. Thus, I can't believe that Chauncy's people are thinking seriously about bringing him over there to fight Banks. Unless Chauncy wins overwhelmingly, he will be robbed.

I'm not so sure that Banks is still promoted by K2. I may be wrong, but I think I heard/read something to the effect that Banks's contract was bought by someone else. Nonetheless, whoever handles Banks now still works closely with K2, and part of the arrangement, I'm sure, is to continue protecting Banks.

K2 is Ukrainian, true, but they stage many of their bouts in Germany, and work closely with German promoters and German boxing power figures. There's some kind of collaboration, I expect.

Incidentally, Banks's handlers, in conjunction with K2, tried to sucker Fres Oquendo into a fight on the undercard of Vitali-Adamek. Fres would have had to take the fight on relatively short notice, without adequate training, and he would have played the "B" side. Fres's handlers rightly rejected the match, to the chagrin of the promoters. In return, Fres's camp offered Banks a chance to fight Fres in Chicago, which caused Banks's people to stop talking altogether. I think you can see what's going on here, regarding "A" side fighters getting protected in Europe.

You are absolutely correct that Chauncy is something of an outsider, in that he doesn't have the backing of a big promoter, etc. Nonetheless, Chauncy's backers (Roland, small/medium sized promoters in NZ, etc.) have invested money to get Chauncy where he is in the ratings, and they would be throwing their investment away if they bring him to Europe to be robbed as the "B" side fighter. So, don't expect to see this happen.

My guess is that Chauncy's people will hold out -- basically sit on their gains -- until they can cash out with a title fight, or a big money eliminator on HBO, Showtime, etc.

 

I didn't mean to imply that Welliver would take the eliminator just for the money. I meant that it was more of a hedge bet: if he wins, he moves on to a title fight, and if he loses, he at least gets the best possible compensation.

 

Holyfield would be a good move for Chauncy, just to heighten his profile. That's a sure win for Chauncy over a big name. Holyfield is beyond shot...he was winded and vulnerable against Sherman Williams.

A much tougher old fighter would have been Oliver McCall. McCall's legs are gone and his punch output is reduced, but he's still strong as hell and has no problems steaming forward for 12 rounds (I've seen him from ringside twice recently). I'm 90% certain that McCall would KO Holyfield, as Holy no longer has the legs or the stamina to keep away from Old Ollie.

Check out McCall's recent win over Damian Wills (can be viewed on Lou Savarese's website) to see how Oliver can still handle stationary targets. Wills is flat-footed, can't dance away, and simply can't deal with McCall's ox-like strength.

 

David tua would take a fight with welliver in NZ but welliever would duck it for a 2nd class oppennt

 

52 wins against 52 bums.

 

I'd watch it. Battle for the pride of Kiwi

 

Can you provide me with any links that validate these TV audience figures? I am doubtful.

Also, the picture previously posted in your avatar -- showing the packed arena at a Chauncy fight -- was just a small arean. I don't imagine that there were more than 4,000 seats (at most) in that venue. That's not necessarily remarkable.

 

Right now, Chauncy is just an alphabet top-10. That's not the same as being a genuine top-10, based on talent, achievements, etc. Based on the latter criteria, Chauncy is still top-40ish at best, at least for now. Maybe that will change quickly if he beats a tough Tier 2, such as the names I mentioned.

Is Tua really interested in fighting Chauncy?

 

disgraceful to even think about a holyfield fight, the guy is 49 years old.

 

How do you know this? Have there been any reports on Aussie or NZ media to the effect that Tua would fight Chauncy?