Welliver Beats Down Mensah, Forces Him To Flee Ring In The 10th

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  1. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did you notice if Mitchell got tagged by powershots from Davis?
     
  2. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Mitchell was tagged by Timur too some. He's got massive power. But his defense is pretty bad. And I want to see him taken the distance. I pretty much think any guy who can stay on his feet can beat seth Mitchell right now. Welliver has the chin to do it.
     
  3. kenmore

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    Mitchell took numerous rights from Timur in the first round and a half. I noticed that Ferreryo reached Mitchell with the right, too. Supposedly Zack Page potshoted Mitchell successfully a few years ago.

    If and when Mitchell falls, faulty defense will be a factor. I think Mitchell's defense fails him in center ring/distance boxing (which is ironic, given Mitchell's effective jab).
     
  4. kenmore

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    It's not a question of Mitchell's opponents' needing durability to hang in there. Mitchell hits so hard that he can bomb out even extremely durable guys, if he can hit them.

    The real secret to hanging in there with Mitchell is to make him miss...to remain in center ring and box effectively from the distance.
     
  5. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Chauncy can play that game too....see Solis, minus 50 pounds, and I think he can move away pretty well and take what does land pretty well.

    If Mitchell could bomb out Welliver I would **** myself. Really with Chauncy having 360 HW rounds without going down and Seth being such a monster puncher. It makes for a great Lets See What happens fight. Golden Boy needs to ring that line.
     
  6. kenmore

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    Here's my list of Tier 2 heavies that I think either would be too much for Chauncy, or who might possibly beat Chauncy. The list is incomplete. Keep in mind that it includes many guys who are not locked into major promotional contracts (and who would probably go to NZ/China if offered a chance), and guys who are locked into contracts in the US or Europe, and who wouldn't be allowed to fight in NZ/China even if they wanted to.

    This list is not meant as a knock on Chauncy...no disrespect intended here. I'm just saying that I think Chauncy is still a prospect, and not yet a real contender. He's still on a learning curve. Based on the quality of opponents that he has beaten so far, the fighters listed below would represent a step up for him right now.

    Maybe a year from now, Chauncy will be polished enough to whip all these guys. In the meantime, here's my list:

    TIER 2 GUYS WHO I THINK COULD BEAT CHAUNCY NOW

    Sergei Liakhovich (possibly he's still Tier 1...don't know)
    Fres Oquendo
    Cedric Boswell
    Timur Ibragimov
    DaVarryl Williamson (depending on how much Williamson has left)
    Chazz Witherspoon
    Maurice Harris (assuming Harris is in shape and motivated)
    Francesco Pianetta
    Monte Barrett (assuming Barrett fights his best, and is in shape)
    Andrei Pala
    Marius Wach
    Mike Perez
    Luis Ortiz

    TIER 2/3 GUYS WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO BEAT CHAUNCY NOW
    Oliver McCall (assuming Chauncy can’t dance away from Ollie)
    Taras Bidenko
    Sam Sexton
    Derrick Rossy (depending on how much Rossy has left)
    Oluken Gbenga (assuming he fights his best)
    Nikolai Firtha
    Konstantine Airich (assuming he fights his best, and pressures effectively)
    Gregory Tony
    Michael Sprott (depending on whether Sprott fights his best)
    Manuel Quezeda (depending on whether Quezada fights his best)
    Nagy Aguillera
    Dennis Bakhtov (on his better nights)
    Dominick Guinn (assuming Guinn fights his best)
    Travis Walker
    Kendrick Releford (yes, this guy can fight…is better than his record indicates)
    Evans Quinn (if he fights his best)
    Jean Marc Mormeck
     
  7. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Well, this is all, unfortunatley, a huge part of the sport. When even the most active guys like Chauncy fight 6-7 times per year, and most roll it out 2 or 3 times, all you have is a ton of speculation time in between.

    I don't see a guy on tuer 2/3 that can touch him. Mormeck is the only guy with a chance and he's about to be wrecked and decked.

    On Teir 2. I think Chauncy can meet, greet and beat any of them....on his best night. Chauncy may be a bit of a dark horse to some of the men listed in terms of perception, but that is only pre fight. Post fight, he is respected by all no matter the outcome. HW Boxing is a 1 night affair and some of those men do have the ability to beat Chauncy, but he has the ability to beat them too. The Hillyard Hammer is coming to win against all of these dudes and if anybody beat him, it's gonna be 1 tough SOB.

    Here is my list of guys Chauncy can beat right now.

    WBA #1 Rahman....WBO #11 Monte Barrett...WBC #11 Eric Molina....WBA #12 Kali Meehan.....WBO #2 Alexander Dimitrenko...pictured in my Avi with Chauncy.....IBF #5 Maurice Harris......WBO #1 Robert Helenius......WBC #7 Tyson Fury.

    Just to name relevant guys that are ranked with the big bounce Chauncy wants. Guys that have no numbers behind them will need some name value. David Tua, Holyfield, McCall, Haye, people like that. Add Solis #2 in as well.

    While the tier lists are full of decent to good fights. Welliver deserves a great fight.
     
  8. kenmore

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    Chauncy is in his senior year of school. The guys on my list are his classmates, for now. If he spends 2012 fighting and beating 3 or 4 of these dudes, then he graduates. And then it's time for the really big fish.
     
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    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    I listed you 2 #1 ranked contenders we can beat right now. And another Arreola has been on the hit list and confronted. I see that as a toss up fight myself. Rahman as a walk in the park, and helenius as a going away win.

    If you can beat the #1 ranked dudes and you are highly ranked and can possibly get those fights, that is the way to go. If there are trees that you can take down to get you to the Ukranian Redwoods next you cut those trees down.

    If given the chance, Chauncy could be #1 in 3 months. And in a title fight in 6-9. That is where Welliver is positioned. He's not in a spot where he has to go to the scrap yard for opponents. Roy Obrien wants to service him at the new car lot.....cause he's on the right track, to nine mile and mack.
     
  10. kenmore

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    I don't know how long you've been following boxing, but top ratings -- particularly mandatory challenger positions -- are usually obtained based on merit. That means the contender in question has beaten top notch opponents, or at the very least, has decisively beaten a series of Tier 2 foes.
     
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    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    I follow enough to have heard what Mr. Sulaiman said at the 49th annual WBC Convention. In order to honor the 50th anniversary, he wants to put together a HW Tournament of regional champions....all ranked dudes. And I have read that minimum purses there will be 40 grand.

    So, what titles does Chauncy get in with? The Continental Americas and The Asian Boxing Council. So, the Chinese can host 1 of those fights and Welliver will be the prime man. Or, he could get in the USA bracket as well. Many things could happen with that. Jon Banks in China could be the ticket. Who knows.

    But, I know damn well enough that Welliver does not have to do anything like scrape the barrell for guys coming off of losses and especially multiples. He has every bit the power to land another Top 15 ranked opponent. And there are many he can beat among those.
     
  12. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Rahman did what? Yeah Ok.....maybe he pimps on the side and he catered a few parties or something?
     
  13. kenmore

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    It's outrageous that Rahman was given the mandatory. You are absolutely correct. Hasim has done nothing recently except win a series of a fights against hand picked "C" level opponents, some of whom are actually his sparring partners.

    The only reason the WBA put Rahman in the #1 spot is because of his marketability: his huge name. The WBA did this because it wants to collect the big sanctioning fee that it gets from the Povetkin-Rahman sham.

    However, there is a reason why Rahman has a hugely marketable name. It's because he was once a world heavyweight champion. Thus, Hasim is banking on his past status.

    For the most part, though, the circumstances surrounding Rahman's #1 rating are the exception in boxing. Usually the situation is that the #1 guy gets his spot based on winning big fights (or winning semi-big fights), and having a promoter with the financial and political clout to arrange the mandatory rating.

    Generally the #1 ranked contender has beaten at least one "A" level fighter.
     
  14. kenmore

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    The regional championships are all bogus. They are phony titles, acquired through payments to the alphabets. It says very little about a fighter's ability or merit that he holds a regional title. Any promoter with enough money can get almost any regional title for almost any fighter.

    That's just the way boxing works, unfortunately.
     
  15. kenmore

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    Speaking of regional belts, I noticed that Mansour has a couple (which he will lose now that he's headed for the slammer). Do you know what promoter paid for those belts?

    Who was financing Mansour's career? Did he say who was going to front all the money for a fight with Chauncy?