Am i missing out on some secret regarding Cotto?

Roach says anything to mess with the minds of the opponent. He also said Cotto will be at his most dangerous because he out to prove a point. Does that automatically mean Cotto was prime, now? Of course not. Roach contradicts himself all the time, so it’s not worth putting value into everything he says.

And the reason why Cotto said he wasn’t going to ‘sacrifice his body again’, was because he can no longer be bothered going back to his natural weight anymore if there’s the possibility of an equally attractive fight at 154. Do I need to bring up the numerous, recent quotes from him about ...... easily making 147 again for the right fight, wanting to fight Marg at catchweight because he’s too small for JMW, having less motivation from the sport now, etc.

Bringing up quotes, statements and opinions that differ every time there are new agendas, means nothing when you have the evidence – the fight itself – before you to suggest Cotto was perfectly fine that night. If he was lumbering around like a zombie like Oscar was, then yes, there would be a point. But he wasn’t. He put up a valiant effort for the first four rounds, before the REAL problem kicked in – his mental aversion to taking punches.

Edit: .....

The Pacquiao loss itself wasn't a more damaging beating than the Marg one, but it did further add to the wear and tear. It made him less of a fighter. That's for definite. He certainly didn't emerge from the fight the same state he walked in.

 

He would of looked bad "making excuses" given that its not pacquiao's fault if miguel agreed and signed for that catchweight.To say he looked just as sharp as he did in 08 is just complete BS, He took mosley's and marg's best shots without similar effect and the man didnt even have a corner ffs.ESB is not the center of the boxing universe, you bumping some thread by the highly intelligent scholars in this forum hold about as much merit as any speculation referring otherwise. Him passing on the rematch because of the weight demands says a lot too.

 

cotto doesnt get the dues he deserves

even when hes lost hes gone out on his shield and has fought everyone

trully a great

 

I don’t think he’s the number one guy at 154. Relying on careful matchmaking the whole time he’s been at the weight, proves that.

But I do agree that he’s still a very good, legit opponent that’s better than most out there. It’s definitely not a joke fight. Anyone that tries to claim it is, has an agenda.

I just can't accept the silly notion that he’s all of a sudden a better man than what he was two years ago.

 

Read my post again. I said he looked as sharp as 08; meaning the punches he was throwing and the way he was attacking, was as strong, quick, and on-point as ever. Then I immediately state: "The only difference against Pacquiao, however, was that Cotto was damaged goods by then, and reacted even worse to taking punches".

And of course he’s going to pass on the demand to make weight again. He’s not the same fighter he was 2-3 years ago. He’s lost motivation to train and prefers 154 only because he has to make less effort in camp. That’s all. Not that he wasn’t in any good condition two years ago.

Edit: I’m not using the ESB threads to suggest the posters here are of supreme knowledge and understanding of the game. Quite the opposite, in fact. I’m using it to show the fickle nature of fans, and how they change their thoughts and opinions all the time.

 

Before Cotto beat a shell of Margarito the majority of this board thought he was past prime and on his way out. All of a sudden 1 fight with a new trainer and a dominant win against a past prime Margarito erases all of this. Fickle fans, its crazy.

 

This version of Cotto is slower than ever with worse reflexes, Floyd will pick him apart with ease. 154 or 147, makes no difference.

 

Obviously Cotto isn't going to say coming into the fight 'I can't make 145, I'm weakened by it' and give his opponent a psychological edge. But that was the intention of having it at 145. He's saying now that he doesn't want to do that to his body again. Cotto comes into the ring between 155-160, making 147 does weaken you coming down from that weight but you gain a size advantage, draining another 2lbs obviously weakens you that little bit more. How much it weakens him is the only issue

You maybe right about Pacquaio possibly softening Cotto up but it isn't necessarily the case, Archie Moore was ko'd several times before becoming a champ for instance. I thought Cotto didn't look too impressive against Foreman or Mayorga. But I also thought he looked to be putting in a career best performance against Margarito. I thought Marg would lay a beating on Cotto again and was impressed with the adjustments made. In case you think I'm a ***** changing my tune, see this thread I made at the time

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364552&highlight=cotto

I do think the best fighter at 154lb is probably Alvarez, I think that's a superfight in the future for Mayweather.

This is a good fight and Cotto is arguably Mayweather's toughest challenge since Delahoya and Mayweather will be 35 himself and I think he's slowed more than Cotto, especially since his 2year lay off. Cotto will be slower than his mid-20s, he'll also be smarter and better defensively, I look forward to it

 

Don't take these polls seriously. The only Argument that can be made is the weight.

 

Pacquiao did admit the catchweight was crucial for Cotto so. I am not taking away anything from the pac W but the catchweight still remains a factor and it only helps floyd look good when he fight miguel at the limit.



http://www.box********.com/forums/showthread.php?t=404593

 

Considering Pacquiao was still a relatively unknown commodity at welterweight (because his only fight against a 147 opponent, was dismissed), it was understandable for them to demand a 145 catchweight against a live, solid welterweight, in an attempt to ‘even’ the playing field. So by that, yes, it was hoped that Cotto would have a harder time making weight. But did that actually happen? Was Cotto weakened like they hoped he would? Did it factor into the fight like they were expecting? No, I don’t think it did. I, and almost everybody else at the time, saw no evidence of it when looking at his performance.

And nah, PP. Of course I don’t think you’re a ***** or anything. I agree with you. I too thought Margo was gonna’ lay a beating on him. And I too noticed the slight adjustments/tricks he’d picked up. But how valuable/instrumental they ultimately were, is hard to say because Margarito was nowhere near the same man he was before. That one eye had a massive impact on proceedings. I enjoyed every moment of his revenge, but I’m not gonna’ kid myself into thinking Cotto didn’t have some things in his favour that night. I really didn’t expect Margarito to be that badly damaged going in. It was the most influencing factor in making Cotto look as good as he did, and misleading many to think he is a revitalized fighter.

And for sure, Cotto is still a legit, viable opponent for Mayweather. It’s one of the best and most exciting fights to be made in 2012, in my opinion. Maybe not the most competitive, but with the reputations of the two, there’s no good reason for it not to take place. Can’t wait.

 

On my work computer, and I don't wanna' visit that virus-infested site. But again, I didn't see any evidence of 145 affecting Cotto negatively.

 

+ a trainer

 

as has been said numerous times, it wasn't the weight, but the focus solely on making the weight, instead of actually training for the fight

 

Fixed