Mike Tyson:Overhyped?

agreed

nope, even mediocre-skilled foes found prime larry easy to hit with right-hands, and Tyson has a right-hand like a supersonic scud-missle and Holmes knows it. bum kevin issac dropped him with 1 right-hand in round 2, journeyman snipes dropped him with 1 right-hand in round 7 as did shavers - them guys all are low skilled, slow and very **** finishers. witherspoon was smacking holmes with right-hands every round and stunned and hurt him more than a few times

dunno, he is very slow and plodding and cannot cut off a ring, but he did KO patterson in fight and rematch even thouhg patterson was petrified. so liston has a chance

weak chin when hit clean with anything hard, plodding slow footwork, louis lates pressure, prime louis sent rocking like a weebl-wobble in 1st round and dropped in roudn 3 by a very fat larger-lout galento and dropped 2 times by single right-hands from shsmelling. fat bum buddy baer dropped louis in the first round with a single-right hander. walcott dropped louis with single punches in 1st and 4th rounds and 3rd round in rematch, marciano dropped louis 2 times in round 8. non of them guys had power or speed like Tyson. only marciano had finisher skills and he KTFO louis

agreed, espesially on evander holyfield

 

Of course Tyson could catch him, but in the meantime a prime Holmes (the c.1980 version) would be finding his target with his jab and straight right. Holmes had good survival skills.
Tyson would have to knock him out quick to win. Because Holmes would be frustrating Mike with movement and hitting him with clean punches. A prime Holmes can do a lot of damage if he's boxing you for 6, 7, 8 rounds.
It could go either way, but I lean towards Holmes.

Tyson would came straight at Liston.
I think Sonny would box him and punch him out of there, from long range.

You underrate Joe Louis, and his opponents.
Tyson was faster than those guys, but guys like Tony Galento and Buddy Baer hit with similar force to Tyson. Those men hit like freight trains.
Galento had zero finesse but his power was beastly.

"Louis hates pressure" is not true. He had trouble with low-crouching guys like Godoy and Galento and little movers like Pastor and Conn.

Louis' footwork was mostly good, and precise.
And his chin wasn't too weak. He beat loads of good punchers.

Tyson walking in to a one-two from Pinky Thomas, and a slapping left hook to the jaw is one thing .... but if he gets tagged like that against Louis, you know it's going to take some of the fight out of him.
I see Louis getting off the deck and ripping into Tyson with straighter, deadly punches. Better overall boxing skills, and a better record of winning to-and-fro slugfests.

If you pick Tyson, that's fine too.
But don't make out Louis was some weak-chinned plodder who couldn't handle pressure.

 

my biggest concer for liston is he is so so slow

he hit like a train but had hand-sspeed like a steamroller

tyson was very very fast with his hands and headmovement to dodge puches and i say liston is too slow with his footwork to avoid tyson's punches

it might be like the matrix with neo dodging slow-motion bullets

but yeah patterson - so people might want to say Liston KO1

 

Liston isn't that slow.
He'd land punches, like he always did.

 

please can you show me some fight i could watch what show liston not being slow please?

if you do i migth cahnge my mind about liston by learning

 

Only Ali and Holmes have comparable lateral movement to Douglas and only they have comparable jabs. Lennox/Louis/LIston are boxer punchers that wouldn't fight anything like Douglas, Lennox is the only 1 of those 3 who maybe able to command range, although he couldn't/didn't against Mercer or Holyfield too effectively, against Tua/Tyson he did. Holyfield may well win, he did do it after all, technically very very good. I don't consider Louis or Liston as good as Holyfield or Tyson though

 

I don't think they would all fight like Douglas. But I think they would beat Tyson by boxing or box-punching from range. In other words, they would use skill, and make use of superior reach, to either outbox or knock him out.

Do you consider them as good as Douglas by any chance ?

 

Don't call me a ***** - thats out of line!

How could I look that up on Boxrec, I would have to look at every single HW in history's full record and the record of everybody they fought. I know it, because somebody very credible told me it!!

 

Exactly! If a guy is able to throw effective punches out of an unconvential stance he must be in good balance.

Its what confused many of his opponents because punches were coming from all directions and angles.

 

Couldnt Tyson have had a bad night against Douglas? You make it seem like Douglas always beats Tyson. It was fairly clear leading up to the fight that Tyson wasnt taking Douglas seriously at all and didnt prepare for him.

Douglas wasnt anything special and had a long career of ups and downs. His best win outside of Tyson was probably a competitive loss to Tony Tucker or maybe David Bey.. I dont know a green Oliver Mcall maybe or washed up Trevor Berbick?

It was a fluke loss which Tyson never got the opportunity to prove. You'll say that Tyson was beaten through the course of a long fight and somehow its more acceptable as a fluke to get knocked out with one shot, or Douglas presented something that Tyson had never seen before? Tyson also presented something his opponents had never seen before.

Douglas was ordinary. He caught Tyson unprepared on a night he was prepared to do something he had never done in his entire career and that was to keep going when he was in a tough fight. It would be the first and last time for Douglas and Tyson wasnt up for the challenge THAT night.

Maybe Tyson was unprepared in previous fights but what he never realized is you cant underestimate any fighter who is qualified to challenge for the heavyweight title because they can rise to the occassion, and thats why you hear disciplined fighters say that all the time. Theres tons of examples throughout history where fighters who were considered ordinary rose to the occassion to give champions tough nights. Hell they even made a movie about it ROCKY...:nut In fact the Sports Illustrated issue for the fight was titled Real life Rocky I think??

Douglas would never do it again it wasnt in his character and he was never going to have the series of events that inspired him to come to fight in Tokyo but even disregarding the fact that Tyson was sliding as a fighter, he would face another fighter who rose to the occassion in Ruddock and and you saw in those fights that Tyson when prepared could fight through the course of a long fight that had as much adversity as the Douglas fight and dont tell me that Tyson was in control of both fights and that was the difference. There was a lot of back and forth action momentum changes and Ruddock was a far more dangerous puncher than Douglas and had Tyson staggered on several occassions with single hooks and uppercuts. The difference was that Tyson didnt leave himself out there to be taken over he fought back with spirit and prevailed.

 

Of course they looked up you imbecile, how else would anybody ever know any historic facts atsch

Done talking with you - don't talk with people that call me things like that - I'm out!

 

As I said Douglas was a world class fighter thats what gave him the chance to do what he did that night. It was a fluke in my book and Douglas proved it by never doing anything close to that again before whatever.

I believe Tyson was about as inspired to fight Douglas as Douglas was Holyfield and you dont have to show up with a spare tire around your waist to prove your not mentally or physically prepared to fight.