>>> Mayweather-Pacquiao, who ducked who this time? <<<

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  1. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    ok, for the sake of argument and you are right that arum is at fault this time around. after the cotto fight, floyd still demands a bigger share, while pac sticks to 50/50. would it still be arum's fault?
     
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    Not important Pugi-Those numbers are still used to look at different KPI's.

    Oscar is the common factor in which both fighters became "worth more" so those are the numbers they using-

    YOU might not like that the Oscar fight is included, but rest assured it is, when looking at their PPV BUYS IN THE PAST.

    Also look at who generates more revenue:deal
     
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    based on past purses-Pac will not make much of anything compared to what he woulda made with Floyd-

    Again-Floyd is supposed to make 40-50 for the Cotto fight and past fights show he can.

    Pac, on the other hand, will not be able to make more than 10-15 with Bradley-Floyd offered 2-4 times that amount:deal:rofl

    keep trying Pugi..good rebuttal:good
     
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    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    floyd can make $40-50 fighting anyone so he decides to fight anyone else rather than pacquiao where he could earn at least $60M even with a 50/50 split.

    so are you accpeting the fact that floyd took the lesser risk when fighting other guys than pacquiao or martinez?

    also if you remove delahoya, their number are not too far off on the average. also, you forgot to account, that at their more recent shows, pac's PPV and live gate has been performing better than floyd.
     
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    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    No. As long as Arum doesn't come up with anymore bull**** to delay the bout. It would be jointly Arum and Mayweather's fault in that situation.

    Mayweather v Pacquiao is 50-50. Neither boxer deserves more in a bout of this magnitude, and anyone who disagrees is talking bull****.
     
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    poll #'s in other threads reflect the truth as do the casual fan-most people believe Pac is to blame. Sorry Pugi but ya just keep gettin owned on this one lil buddy.
     
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    Floyd avoided it by asking for Golden Boy to reserve a venue and sign agreements before Pacquiao fought Marquez. Pac and Top Rank were kept outside the loop and because of that the fight was never going to happen on May 5th from the beginning.
     
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    of course, why are you comparing cotto with bradley? if the roles are reversed and pac was fighting cotto who is also a draw while floyd fights bradley, i'm sure pac-cotto would outsold floyd-bradley.

    and you are mistaken if pac would not make $15M for the bradley fight. pac was guaranteed $22M for marquez without the PPV upside and other revenues. his guarantee for bradley would be around the same or might be slightly more.
     
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    Pugi, Pac is not a high risk for Floyd:deal

    Style wise he isn't little buddy-

    All that is irrelevant Pugi, I have rebuttaled everything u put up man-

    At recent shows Pac has not performed better little guy-and WE AREN'T TAKING OSCAR OUT AS THEY STILL USE THOSE NUMBERS IN NEGOTIATIONS:deal

    Floyd has the 1 and 2 spots on the revenue-he has been involved in the 2 highest revenue producing fights-(I think maybe 3)

    You keep trying to twist the argument-this is what I mean by your a ******* pugi-you literally say "well take Oscar out and etc etc.."..Well were not taking Oscar out cuz that shows a BIAS.

    WE LEAVE THE NUMBERS ALONE-They are what they are:deal

    As for your opinion on Pac and Martinez-Pac is not a hard style to dissect buddy..I know you think he's really good inside the ring and all that-but most fans had him losing to JMM in the 3rd fight and many had em losing the 2nd fight.

    Keep trying Pugi-
     
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    yes thank you.
     
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    Bradley is not the draw that Cotto is is-Bradley is not even known much more than Clottey- Again Pac won't make what he made for JMM 3 or Cotto-

    He'll make a little more than he made for Clottey. Bradley does not have the name of a Margarito or a Cotto-

    Pac Cotto 2 would not outsell a Floyd-Bradley LMFAO-Thats all speculation but you'd have 2 undefeated fighters in a May-Bradley fight and that would sell to the casual fan:deal

    Floyd does higher numbers in common opponents Pugi-

    Your losing like 24-3
     
  12. PaoloMirani

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    Blame is on Floyd 100%. Pac in good faith told Floyd in his own words that the fight is a go as long as he agrees to a fair 50/50 split. Testing, date, venue...Pac said **** it let's just do this and you can quit your yappin'. Then outta the blue another unforeseen roadblock. Floyd offered 40mil, Pac tried to compromise with the lion's share to the winner offer. Alas, Pac gets rejected both times. Floyd walks out, signs with Cotto while stil yappin' that Pac ducked him. That's all you really need to know folks. Everything else is conjecture.
     
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    Oh yeah, and this too. How ya gonna organize an event with Pac in mind and not actually let the other principal partner in the loop?
     
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    :patsch
    u realize this is not what the majority of fans think-most of em don't think this at all actually-:deal
     
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    i said that a good case can be made to judge their current drawing power. delahoya is where both floyd and pac was not the main draw (A-side) so we should compare their PPV's when they are both A-side.

    so are you in the opinion that 50/50 is not a fair split for this fight?

    how can you account unto the fact that recent PPV's have pac selling more than floyd?