Welliver Beats Down Mensah, Forces Him To Flee Ring In The 10th

To one degree or another, almost everyone in the alphabet top-15 (guys eligible for a title shot) owe their rankings to bribes. The entire regional title belt system is a way of dignifying or legalizing bribes. A fighter needs a regional belt to get a top-15 rating, and his manager or promoter has to pay the alphabets a sanctioning fee (in addition to other costs) to hold that title.

It's widely believed that the alphabets collect under-the-table fees in connection with rankings as well.

Ultimately, the promoters with the most financial clout are in the best position to influence, or even control, the alphabet ratings.

 

Okay...what are Chauncy's plans with regard to taking his first serious fight -- and by "serious," I mean either one of the names on my Tier 2 list, or participation in the WBC regional titles tournament, or a fight against Tua or Leapai, or an eliminator against a truly top name?

Please no long reply about how great Chauncy is...just a concise paragraph informing us of Chauncy's first big or semi-big move is all we need.

Certainly Roland and Chauncy must have some ultimate objective in mind - in terms of landing a meaningful fight in 2012. Otherwise, they wouldn't be taking builder fights against the likes of Calloway, Mensah, etc.

Thanks.

 

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Other guys who aren't in the top tier who give him a lot of problems - Franklin Lawrence, Tyson Fury, David Price, Robert Helenius (if he gets healthy), Tye Fields (yeah, I said it) and pretty much any other tall heavyweight who can box and actually throws punches.

 

Rogan blocks punches with his face; Welliver blocks punches with his forearms.

One of Rogan's losses was just awful. Got stopped because his eyes swelled shut, but about a round before it got stopped he was mercilessly beating the crap out of Sexton and backed off because he thought the ref was going to stop the fight. It was his mistake, but he should have won that one. He was up on the cards and should have had a TKO if not for some shoddy refereeing.

 

Do you know for a fact that Chauncy has trouble with tall guys? I don't think he's fought anyone that tall yet.

One thing that intrigues me about your comments is, how do you know that much about Chauncy? I doubt you've seen any film footage aside from the Solis fight. My guess is that you are basing your judgment on second hand information, extrapolation, and conjecture. No?

To a large extent, I'm doing the same thing, I guess, but at least I'm reasoning based on what I've read in articles about Chuancy's fights. For example, if he had a hard time keeping Mensah away during the first six rounds, then it's entirely conceivable that guys like Airich and Bakhtov, for instance, could effectively pressure Chauncy and outwork him on the inside. Bakhtov and Airich are that much stronger and more aggressive than Mensah.

Sure, Chauncy could do his slap, stick, sidestep, and jump backwards routine, but he doesn't have the power to hold off a Bakhtov or Airich (although limited talents, both are strong, bullish guys). So, it's conceivable that they'd keep forcing their way inside, and get the better of Chauncy over the distance, in a sloppy, mauling, indecisive struggle.

 

Let's look at it this way. Aguilera's performances against Arreola and Peter are completely irrelevant to how he'd fare against Welliver. This is because Welliver doesn't have the strength and power that Arreola and Peter do. Welliver doesn't have the pop to hurt Aguilera, so we know he and Nagy would be going at it for the full route.

Next, consider that when Aguilera is fighting someone who can't hurt him, he keeps his hands moving. Based on the films, Nagy's athleticism, hand speed, punching precision, and combination punching techniques are no less good than Chauncy's.

These guys are the same size as each other -- approximately 6'2"/6'3", 235 lbs to 240 lbs. So, Chauncy wouldn't be able to bull Nagy around.

Neither dude has the power to seriously hurt the other, so I could imagine them trading and blocking shots without either fighter gaining the advantage over the full 10 or 12 rounds.

This analysis is based on the assumption that Aguilera fights his best.

P.S. -- Agiuillera's performance against Maskaev is totally irrelevant to how he'd do against Chauncy. That's because Chauncy has a much tougher chin, better defensive, and more elusive footwork than Oleg, so Nagy certainly wouldn't duplicate his Maskaev win, or even fight Chauncy in that same effortless, dominant manner.

 

How could you possibly know that Boswell has lost stamina? You can't base your judgment on the Povetkin fight, for two reasons. One, Boswell had a torn rotator cuff, and fought far below his potential that night. Two, Povetkin is a pretty strong guy who could wear anyone down and bowl them over...if the opponent doesn't have the capacity to keep Sasha at bay (which Boswell couldn't have done, given his injury).

I know reliable people who were at ringside for Boswell's fights against McCall and Manswell, and they say he maintained a brisk pace for the entire ten rounds. According to my source, Boz was suffering from the rotator cuff problem for the Manswell fight, and fought one-handed. Otherwise, Boz would have KO'd Manswell easily.

At his best, Boswell jabs impressively, and is capable of putting on a dominant distance fight in center ring. This is all the more true if he is able to use both hands in conjunction.

Chauncy vs Boz is competitive, and would go the distance. But Boz's jab would be the punch of the night, giving him the upper hand in center ring, and would keep Chauncy at bay. Boz's jab superiority enables him to follow up occasionally with other shots that put him ahead on the scorecards.

Chauncy would have his moments, but he doesn't have the power to trouble a guy like Boz. Boz would also be able to pick a lot of Chauncy's quick shots off.

In this one, I think Chauncy would be reduced to having to constantly back or circle away, buying time and space in an effort to try to figure out which punches and combos will work. Utlimately the time clock will run out, and Boz will grab the decision.

 

Messerstick:

Who are the fighters facing Chauncy in this film clip? I know the last one is Brad Gregory, but who are the other guys?

Any chance you could post the full fight films on youtube? If possible, thanks in advance.

www.youtube.com
/watch?v=Ctuh2QKKQX8&feature=related

(moderator: don't ban me if I did something wrong by posting this link...I made a deliberate effort to prevent the actual video from showing here.)

 

Yes, I've noticed that Pianetta looks mediocre against "B" level opposition, such as Matt Skelton.

However, the films reveal that Pianetta looks like a tiger -- a world beater -- when matched against "C" and "D" level opposition.

Do you see the logic I'm using when judging the merits of fighters? We simply cannot conclude that a guy has "got it" just became he devours ham-and-eggers all the time.

Until the prospect fights solid "B" level comp, his hidden weaknesses don't show.

 

Thanks Messer. I'll check it. Meanwhile, who are the guys in your film clip?

Chauncy: I'm sure you're reading this thread...no disrespect intended here. Just healthy debate, which I'm sure you encourage.

 

great win Mensah was on an 18 month break from boxing, and his previous fight was at cruiser