Ruslan Chagaev v. Joe Louis

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  1. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    louis by stoppage
     
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  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    This is how I see it. Chagaev would be the most durable skilled fighter Louis fought, and one who can cover up well, and counter. Remember this is the man who beat Savon twice. In additon he is a southpaw. Louis looks slow to adapt on film, and easy to hit. In the 1930's or 1940's Chagaev's height and reach would not be a problem at all. I would pick Louis here, but its far from a slam dunk.
     
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  3. red cobra

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    Chagaev would have wished he was in the ring with Wlad again if he fought Louis. Far more pain and damage suffered and a quicker more emphatic ko.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Chagaev is not as good as Walcott or Schmeling or Charles but it's likely that he'd be the best of the rest or thereabouts.
     
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  5. Quick Cash

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    I personally favor Carnera, Baer, and the very best Sharkey against a wider range of heavyweights than I do Chagaev so I wouldn't categorically put him above these men (granted, Louis didn't necessarily fight all of them in the best of shapes).
     
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  6. Conn

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    Chagaev might be about as good as Godoy or Farr.

    Godoy and Farr both gave Louis hard fights.
     
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  7. Seamus

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    I would take a prime Chagaev over the limited two-beat style of the undersized Schmeling and even money against the version of Charles and the overrated Walcott who fought Louis. In reality, that is. If we are using the misty-eyed, fantasy land reminiscences of overgrown adolescents, well then, both Charles and Walcott cast lightning from their brows and destroy Chag.
     
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  8. Conn

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    Which Chagaev fights should I watch to get a handle on how good this modern warrior truly was ?
    You seem to rate him highly.
    The best I ever saw from him was against Ruiz, and it was a competent but fairly pedestrian performance.
     
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  9. Foreman Hook

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    Chaggy was like grease lighting in a bottle VS Nikolai "Giant Sloth" Valuev - But i dunno maybe him looking good had a little something to do with Valuev being so bloody slow he looks like he is boxing from teh bottom of teh sea. :rofl:rofl

    Foreman "like a bawws" Hoooooooooook!:hat
     
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  10. Conn

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    Nicolay Valuev was a circus freak, a genetic fluke.

    Not built for fighting at all, no muscle tone or athleticism, and obviously suffering from a hormonal disturbance, but he looked scary on the posters in those smoky old fight clubs, and the mobsters who ran boxing in those days were free to exploit him.

    320 pounds of feather-fisted, baggy-skinned, decrepit neanderthal freakishness.

    If he was fighting today, he'd be laughed out of every gym. Even mediocre amateurs would run rings around him.

    But of course, in those days, when the heavyweight crown could be held by any barroom palooka or leather-faced farmhand who managed to stay sober enough to climb through the ring ropes, Valuev was actually what passed for a top-flight fighter ....
     
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  11. Foreman Hook

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl Comedy at its finest! :thumbsup
     
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  12. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Agreed......

    I would say Chagaev is more skilled than Baer ever was, but not more dangerous....
     
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  13. janitor

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    I have to differ.

    I think that it is verry questionable whether he is the best of the next teir.

    That, alowing for the fact that you missed Baer and Carnera out of the first.
     
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  14. red cobra

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    Wlad could stop Chagaev but Louis couldn't?:think
     
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  15. MadcapMaxie

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    Marciano by KO
     
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