Straight Right/Overhand Right, Right Cross- the same?

Very interesting.

So...okay, for example, zip forward to 7:50 or so here:

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Would that kayo blow be more of a straight right or a right cross? Thought the previous but now wondering if it's the latter.

 

A streetfight, I'll assume. I can say this -it isn't the inside, regardless of what you might have heard.

Street fighters are pretty easy to deal with if you can box. They don't understand jabs, so stand just outside the perimeter, step in, and stick a Liston jab at their nose. That'll change 95% of minds in the barroom belligerent class. Or, open your hand as you jab and push their forehead back with your palm; then step in almost simultaneously with a right to the point of the chin.

So, if you aren't a wrestler, fight them on the outside, jab, and crash in a right cross. Or draw them out. See, they're nervous. So step in off the perimeter, jab them hard, and step back out. If they charge in, nail them. Or you can feint instead of jab to get them to react with something stupid. Then step in and meeting their charging chin with something serious.

If a boxer is physically strong and can handle them if they grab, he should fight them from mid-range. That would be the range to close the show early. The mid-range is the puncher's range.

"Inside" won't work in a street fight because it's gonna become a wrestling match in no time. Some guys like that. Not me. I roll around with WOMEN only. Men don't touch me and all that's gonna touch them is the blur of my knuckles that say "good night."

Another thing that works well is jabbing them a few times to fool them and then drop your right knee low and throw a straight right to the body. Most guys cannot take that -not even once. If there a tough guy who does his sit-ups, then jab, throw the right to the body and use the torque of that to come up with a left hook.

That's a killer. Tony Zale used to do that.

 

Tye Fields has the ugliest jab in history. The way he used it in the Monte Barrett fight is so pathetic.

 

This is a straight right. Grants right hand was in line with his backfoot, it did not cross over his front foot therefore its a straight right hand.

 

Interesting thread.

I've always thought of the straight right/right cross as the same punch, too. It's interesting to read the thoughts of those who view them as different.

As you say, the overhand right is indeed a totally different punch. I personally never felt comfortable throwing a traditional hook, so I compensated by throwing an overhand left. (Southpaw.)

The straight left I was fine with; it was very comfortable and easy for me to use. But hooking? I just never got the hang of it. Never felt comfortable with the punch.
But it felt very natural for me to throw an overarm left from time to time.

 

I think it really depends what you're comfortable with, and how one anticipates incoming punches.

From personal experience, I always liked to bait a right hand, duck under it and then bring up and overhand left. It was my 'money' punch, if you will.
Keep in mind in my previous post I said I was not comfortable with the hook, which admittedly would have been a better punch to use.

One thing about the overhand right (or left) is that it's difficult to use it in a combo. It's a punch where you really have to commit to it.
That's why I liked to throw it right after an opponent had commited to his own punch...the overhand was easy to block or slip normally, but I knew once the guy had committed himself, it was going to be much easier to get it off and land it.

 

Sorry to keep quoting you Stoney, but once again this is something I can relate to.

I also have skinny wrists and as you know by now, I never felt comfortable with the traditional hook, with the wrist facing the floor.

Years later, after my stellar (haha) amateur 'career' ended, I was messing around with the bag and I discovered that throwing the hook with the palm facing me felt much more natural and somehow I could get a better leverage from it throwing it that way.
It's funny how such a small thing can make a difference.

That was what personally worked for me, but I would still advocate the more conventional way for most people.

 

You probably didn't feel comfortable because your instincts told you it wasn't a great idea. A southpaw should throw a left hook sparingly and a conventional fighter should throw a right hook sparingly. I never threw a right hook unless it was tactical -I was inside, the guy was hurt, or he was a sucker for it.

The reason is that it's the punch that is furthest away. For you, the right jab is closest -it's the lead hand and it's a straight line. A straight left is further back, but a straight line. A right hook is close, but it arcs. Now, a left hook is further back and an arc. It's the least likely to land of the four.

Your overhand left is also an arc, and if thrown too much, it won't land much. But as a surprise shot, it's a great one.

 

It could be. The point was to stay out just out of reach, then step in, land, and step back out of reach.

Not to far, you want to be able to take a short step or two in to connect.

Most street fighters aren't going to be standing if you hit hard and land the "2". However, finishing on your left puts you naturally in the ready position in case he is still standing and throwing.

Sometimes a street fight becomes a grappling match and it's unavoidable. But if you can end it quickly, why fool around? Why get too close and risk getting grabbed when you can end it cleanly?

 

The greatest generals avoid war. That's the best advice I can give.

Inerpersonal violence easily gets out of control with tragic consquences. It ain't worth it unless there is no way around it, the threat is imminent, and the threat is capable of doing harm to you (not to your pride, which explains ~93% of street fights).

I have a step brother whose been inside for 20 years because he and a rival got into it and he did his rival before his rival could do him. His rival is dead. And he's just as dead, so to speak.

I have another friend who ain't right in the head because he wrecked some clown in Roxbury and said clown came back with an insane clown posse with baseball bats. My friend has dents in his head and is now a paranoid (which is a symptom of head trauma) who can't hold a job and lives on the streets of Boston.

I had about 70 street fights and count myself among the lucky. Sure I know what I'm doing and that helps, but it's really a matter of luck in those situations. Too many fools carry these days because their hands are otherwise useless; you could slip and crack your head on a curb and that's it for the quality of your life, or his head could land on a curb when you land a good one and then it's manslaughter minus good time. So, be like me -avoid pubs and bars. Hang around in coffee shops instead.

It's always more luck than skill in a street fight, brother.