Ruslan Chagaev v. Joe Louis

It has to do with being trained in a rigorous system the basics of the sport rather than being dragged off the docks or dole lines. There's a bit of difference, say like fighting tough man competitions (which I have done to great glee) and fighting other trained, groomed pugs.

By back up my statements, do you mean rehashing an old drunken, fedora-wearing scribes' hyperbole regarding some ham and egger who wouldn't beat Eddie Chambers? I will be sure to include my citations in future posts.

 

Chagaev stands in the pocket to counter with left hands.

He was very good at it.

You dont try to pull and pocket counter Joe Louis.

Louis KO 1. KO 2, maybe, cause Ruslan is tough as hell. KO 3 if he lands a great counter left early.

 

Baer wasn't a shadow of himself...he was just scared shitless and demoralized when he fought Louis. It didn't help either that Louis more than exceeded his reputation in this fight.

 

Louis would have won, quickly, and there would have been blood, lots of blood. Of that, I have no doubt.

 

I watched Chagaev from the amateurs and the beginning of his career and do not think he would stand a chance with the likes of Joe Louis...Chagaev is slow and ponderous and never really seemed in the best condition and the fights against Valuev,Ruiz,Povetkin and they all looked like they could easily drop 20 lbs, nothing cut on any of them...I think he can compete today but I don't think he would get past Schmeling,Walcott, The Baers, and a few others...for Louis he would be cannon fodder...as an underachiever I wont put him in the class of a Witherspoon,Tubbs or Page but Ruslin was not over dedicated or ever in tip top shape IMO....I see him and Jack Sharkey in a close decision that Sharkey wins

 

The idea of Chagaev even having chance agianst Louis is stupid. 11 years as champ, might be l greatest of all time, and people put him up in dream match with an average contender?

 

Godoy was far more difficult stylistically than Chagaev would be. Essentially, he's a much more active, better swarmer (I know Chagaev isn't a swarmer. That's my point). I think Louis would take him out. If you're not quick, cute, or mobile than you better be a tough, aggressive fighter. Chagaev is somewhat stuck in the middle... and not impressive enough in his natural inclination of counter-punching.

 

You hit the nail on the head with style breakdown. Your experience and knowledge is a unique and refreshing insight Magna.

For me, Chagaev is just too uninspiring, too uncreative. I don't like him. He's too rudimentary. Boxing is more of an art form than a science (Despite being the sweet science). Chagaev is like the anti-Burley.

Chagaev-Carnera would be far more interesting than Chageav-Valuev. Well not interesting, but I think Carnera was better and Chagaev's chances would be reduced.

 

I agree with you.

Chagaev is out of his class with Louis, and I don't think he lasts long at all due to styles, but its sad to see him insulted and belittled. He was really very good, and never showed up undertrained.

And he actually DID fight Valuev that way, to great effect. He did he best worked when cornered, not just on the ropes, but cornered, and thrashing Valuev with left hands when he'd overcommit.

He wasn't immobile, but his offense was at his best when his opponent came to him and he planted his feet. Louis' balance was perfect and the quick, sharp stream of punishment could be overwhelming, hence my prediction.

 

I thought Chagaev tried to fight Wlad aggressively, but it was obvious he was uncomfortable doing so.