the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

pac is a great name though. john, norwood and gainer were all top names. sanchez, peden and salido are pretty good names.

I think it's pretty good.

I've not sat down and listed but as I say, I can't think of many feather's to surpass it.

For example two of the better regarded feather's resume at the weight isn't massively better

Armstrong:

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Legra´s resume is not great....this is fair to say.....but in my opinion his H2H ability is close to MAB, and even close to Pac at that weight.......and clearly better than Jhon, Norwood or Gainer......

 

Straight up, I think pac is the best name across all 3 resumes there.

Anyways, I'm not arguing that jmm has a better feather resume than those, I'm saying I think the distance between them isn't huge.

 

You haven't highlighted Zurita or Casanova?

As a featherweight Pac' was not as good as some of those guys IMO.

 

Bold was HOF, Underline was Premiere fighter, Italic was top 5 ranked at the time of the fight. Those were neither.

You could well be right on that and he certainly made massive improvements after the first marquez fight.

 

Back to my list.

Just watched Benvenuti stop Rodriguez (any better footage of benvenuti out there?)

He fights very good but he seemd fairly easy to tag, his jab, whilst good wasn't spectacular. His ko shot was brilliant and he'd landed that left hook all fight long.

I think I'm trying to say he looked solid bu unspectacular. Comparable in terms of tier to Basilio IMO. to an untrained eye like mine, they also look similar at times jabbiong and spoiling but with great power hidden in a not great ko percentage.

ali (vs terrell) [A]
armstrong (vs ross) [A]
arguello (vs kobayashi)
benitez (vs cerantes)
angott (vs zivic) [C]
basilio (vs de marco) [D]
benvenuti (vs rodriguez) [D]
apostoli (vs steele) [D]

Does my grading seem fair there? scrap fair because this is all highly subjective, does it seem outrageous or reasonable?

 

Maybe because Rodriguez is truly one of the greatest fighters of all time? I've never been particularly impressed with Benvenuti, one handed, and easy to tag, some subtle nuances to set up his left but getting twatted by Emile Groffith (one punch) And inconsistency mark him down.

The win over Rodriguez, a lock for my top 25, is serious stuff though.

 

Fair enough. I think Pacqiuao became better once he stopped cutting weight.

 

You gradingthe quality of the fights?

ecause if you are that is ludicrous.


Also on Benvenuti he sort of reminds me of Minter in that he dosent look good ut he gets stuff done. Also how ig is he for a formerLMW< guys huge fora Middleweight anyway.

 

Could be, does he look better against mazzinghi than he did against lmr? Hard to say.

Some top names on his resume for sure. Just doesn't look top tier on film to me. Seems a lever below the likes of benitez and arguello.

It'll be interesting when I get to lmr, nailing down his peak performance is something I look forward to!

 

No, the quality of the victor's skillset in the fight.

I'm not ranking the fights in greatness, not even the fighters in greatness.

Just ranking how good the fighter's look in their peak performance.

 

Some fighters just aren't as aesthetically pleasing as others, as Greg said.

 

And ain't seen either of Nino's fights with Benvenuti.

Seen some of two of his fights with Griffith, all the Rodriguez fights and both fights with Monzon. EDIT: And losing to a probably cancer-ridden Dick Tigerz

 

Tigerz was a typo but I'm keeping it in. Sounds like a kids soft toy, and with a smile like that, probably could be.

 

You stoned again lol?

Yeah I agree that some guys don't look good on film. Some guys don't have a good resume despite looking very good. Some guys never hit the top despite looking good on film and having a good resume.

I like to judge fighters on a mixture of the 3.

H2h is too subjective for me to be comfortable, seeing how effective a man was on his best night is much more reasonable to judge.