Mike Tyson:Overhyped?

Are you kidding ?
It was bad enough as it was. The real shame is he got paid for that.

Firstly, if they let that carry on and Tyson gets beaten up within a round or two (which I think Holyfield was about to do), you'd have nothing to say.
Secondly, he was lucky he was allowed to box on after the first bite.

Thirdly, he was clearly looking for a way out. As he admits now, he just couldn't get to Holyfield at that time with his punches, the guy was just too good for him. AT THAT TIME.

 

It was stopped because Holyfield went right back to slamming his head into Tyson and Tyson bit him again. That fight was doomed from the beginning. Holyfield was exonerated for all his fouling and hailed for making Tyson quit, but I think years later it made a lot of people rethink their position on Holyfield who went on to butt everyone and really do a number on Hasim Rahman.
Fighters like Rahman and Tyson were made to order for Holyfield's head! They came straight in and Holyfield harpooned them.

 

I believe Tyson was looking for a way out too but the butting had something to do with it. He was cut badly over both eyes. I dont believe Tyson would have bitten Holyfield if he wasnt cut over both eyes from the butts.

 

As Tyson has said, "I used the butts as an excuse, he beat me at the butting game. "

Tyson couldn't handle Holyfield physically or MENTALLY at that point. Never mind about the butts and the bites, it is really a sign that Tyson was unfit mentally to beat Holyfield that night.
That's the bottom line.
If Holyfield had not butted, he would have beaten Tyson anyway. If Tyson hadn't bit, he would have given up some way or another that night anyway.
Emotionally and mentally he couldn't handle a fighter as tough as Holyfield at that point in his life.

 

In other words, they came in with their heads, and Holyfield came in with his, and they come off worse.

Let's be serious, Tyson slammed his head into a few people too. His whole career. He was no angel in there.

Butting is just part of the game with aggressive fighters. sometimes heads will clash, and you want to be the guy who had his head down lowest when that happend. Holyfield had that knack.

I don't remember anyone whining much when Tyson was butting Razor Ruddock and Pinklon Thomas.

 

I dont know. Tyson had a pretty bad first round and settled down and fought well in the second. He came back to the corner and said "he's butting the hell out of me".

You cant really say this as a fact. In both fights where momentum was beginning to shift Holyfield opened up cuts by butting and gained the momentum right back. Tyson was determined in both fights and Holyfield was huffing and puffing as badly as Tyson was in the late stages of their first fight.

I dont know man I think Holyfield more than established he became a cheater with the headbutts after the Tyson fight.

I agree. Tyson threw elbows, head butted, hit guys when they were down, after the bell etc. Holyfield watched this too over his career and knew he needed to turn that around on Tyson and bully the bully.

Again I think this is a stretch. You didnt hear guys complaining about Holyfield using his head prior to Tyson. After Tyson everyone did and it wasnt because of the Tyson fight. Rahman kind of sealed the deal too that Holyfield was really intentionally trying to hurt people with his head.

Probably not.

 

So, you think Holyfield became a headbutter at the time of the Tyson fight and after ?

 

Yes. I think Holyfield completely changed his style prior to the Tyson fight.
He was less mobile more compact and more of a counterpunching grappler on the inside. He rarely got up on his toes and fought from the outside anymore.
Holyfield had already started to lose his bounce in his step but I think he became even more flat footed and stationary than before. I think that grew from his preparation for Tyson. The butting was just part of that style as Holyfield would lead with his head to get inside and grapple or lower his head forward when his opponent would come in. The main factor was how stationary he became trying to counter his opponents. It worked for him because he really no longer had the energy to box and move over the course of a long fight.

 

Here take a look at Holy vs Mercer some two fights prior. More boxing on his toes and in the angles. Looking for the side with his head in the clinches.
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Contrast that to the Rahman fight. His head down going straight in. Less movement more standing stationary squared up in the pocket looking to counter and grapple and really using that head to push forward.



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Holy became a headbutter when his youthful bouncing footwork went & he became flatfooted. Evander would throw a intentionally misdirected punch over your shoulder & ram his forehead into your orbital bone as he came forward with the momentum. Prior to that, Peak Holy was a skilled elbow merchant, once landing a multi-elbow combination on Foreman. As for Tyson himself, he used both elbows & butts throughout his career. Mike would uncoil & butt guys on the chin; once rocking Berbick with such a butt, & intentionally threw elbows in with his hooks. Pink was cut by a Tyson butt to his eyesocket, while Bonecrusher was cut by a sharp elbow.

So it's really unjustified to complain about Holy butting Mike...

 

The fight was dirty, but you cant ignore the fact that Holyfield butted Tyson. Thsi wasnt accidental, this was on purpose adn was on of Holyfields tactis. Round 6 first fight, Holyfield landed a low blow and a headbutt on Tyson. and then the KD Theres a video of Holyfield landing the same 'combo' on Dokes. I dont think he got paid, his purse was withheld or he was fined $3m.

Sorry, the way Tyson was fighting, no way holyfield gets him out of there in 2 rounds, aint happening sorry. It took Holyfield 11 rounds to do it in the first fight and that was more due to exhaustion than anything. Secondly Holyfueld, after the bites, were slightly much more cautious in his approach, no way he was going to suddenly let loose on a rampgaing Tyson. If anything, it was Holyfield who had a slight look of fear.

He never said he was looking for a way out, he said he was frustrated that things werent going his way and he was acting like a spoilt brat. Tyson has always had anger management issues, this time it finally boiled over. I dont believe he was looking for a way out, just because Teddy Atlas said so. If anything Tyson, as a bullied child, snapped at someone who he felt was bullying him. Im not justifying his actions, but when someone psychopathic like Tyson gets pushed into a corner, they will come out fighting anyway they can. Why would he look for a way out, when he was having the best round possibly of the 2 fights? He also pushed Holyfield and said come on stop moaning and lets fight, hardly someone looking for a way out. I dont agree with him, but he felt he was levelling the playing field, he made it into a street fight.
Look at how Tyson reacted at the fool who told him he needed the straight jacket and then think about what tyson woudl do to someone who he felt was butting him.
Tyson throughout his whole career has always had frustration/anger management problems.

 

Thats exactly why tyson snapped. He felt he was being the labelled the bad guy and Holyfield, the good samaratan/bible thumper, can never do wrong, the crowd was also cheering for holyfield in the first fight as well. To think all these things werent going through tysons head, who admittedly does have emotional/mental issues.
Holyfield has always butted, but this time he bit off more than he could chew (no pun intended).

I still think the fight should have been left to continue and let it have its rightful end.

 

I think Holyfield knew what was going to happen. He even told Tysons corner that he didnt have his mouthpiece in between rounds.

Tyson later said he gave him a warning bite before he bit his ear off. I dont remember seeing it, but it seemed Holyfield knew something bad was going to happen.

I dont see how that fight could have continued. Tyson bit him again as soon as Holyfield lowered his head for a clinch again. It was not going to continue Tyson was having a serious meltdown.

 

Scary and Fascinating proposition. It was getting way too wild in there. The entire scene that night was on something diabolical.

 

What i also found interesting was, the crowd were actually yelling TYSON TYSON TYSON in the third round i think?

I think thats the only time, the crowd ever chanted his name like that.