Is Cotto the best fighter Floyd has faced?

*****s big dilemna!!!!!

If they agree, then Gayweather's best opponent so far has been annihilaed by Margarito and Pac.

If they disagree, then that leaves the over-retired, part-time fighter, over the hill Oscar Dela Hoya as his best opponent or the bloated lightweight who never even fought a single junior welterweight, and was cheated at weighing scale and outweighed by 10 pounds at fight night JMM as his best in his resume. Forget Corrales and castillo - both were never been, never was. Or Gatti - hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaahahahahah!!!!!

 

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Floyd is fighting Cotto up at 154 which is his current natural weight (Manny brought Cotto down in weight when they fought..) and Manny is bringing Bradley at natural JWW up a division.

Cotto is the more difficult fight.

 

At 140
Won vacant WBO title from from fight with Pinto
At 147
Beat Quintana for a vacant WBA title. LOL
Loses it in Margo fight
Beats Micheal Jennings for vacant WBO title
Loses it to Manny
At 154
Beats Yuri Foreman for his WBA title.

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I guess I was wrong the only title he ever took off a champ was from one legged Yuri Foreman. LOL.

Cotto is not a HoF or great fighter, above average though, I'll give him that.

At 154, I would rank Canelo, Kirkland, Lara, Molina, and Williams over him. Trout too.

Cotto isn't a natural 154 fighter, he is a natural 147 fighter, he is too small for 154 which is why he only fights certain fighters in that division. That being said physically Floyd has all the advantages over Cotto.

Manny is fighting a natural JWW, I agree, but Bradley has already had a couple of fights in the division in preparation and is clearly the better matchup.

 

Are you ****ing high? I thought you were reasonable for boxing discussion, no - then I must be ****ing high?

Lara, Williams, Molina above Cotto at Light-Middle - stop over-compensating for a poor argument.

And don't you actually read other people's posts. Cotto may have won vacant titles, but he has a very good resume. Ndou, Torres, Malignaggi, Corley, Bailey at L-W. Quintana, Mosley, Judah, Clottey (+ Pacquiao, Margarito) at W. Margarito at L-M.

In case you've had your head in the sand for the past 30 years, titles aren't won anymore by a challenger winning the world championship of the world champion. They are won by one of 28 challengers taking one of 28 world titles off of 1 of the 28 "Champions". Titles mean less, opponents mean more.

 

I'm not sure what your point is. Of course they weren't favored. Genaro is the only opponent ever favored against Floyd (I've heard Corrales too, but I don't think).

Of the ones you highlight, how are those not legit wins? All were on impressive win streaks, similar to the little stretch Cotto is on to establish himself as the general consensus #1 @ 154.

Almost every single one of these guys would have won FOTY had they beaten Floyd when they fought.

-Judah was the only one coming off a loss or had even lost a fight recently. One fight removed from Ring P4P #10.

-Jesus Chavez was the clear cut #4 guy at 130 (Floyd=lineal, Casa, and Freitas).

-Gatti, although true claims that he was a shell of himself, was the highest ranked fighter at 140 other than lineal champ Kostya.
Proof: [url]http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_Junior_Welterweight--2000s[/url]

-Manfredy was the top contender at 130 and was having a very hot year. The winner of this December showdown was to go on to win the 1998 FOTY, and Floyd did so.

-Ortiz, 24 years old, taller, entered ring 14 pounds heavier, in addition to being a power puncher who established himself as THE best at 147 other than Mayweather and Pacquiao.

-Baldomir was lineal champ. One of the weaker in history, but a legit lineal champ nonetheless, shutout on the cards.

-Marquez was the #2 P4P behind Pacquiao during Floyds' absence. He was a lightweight, but an even older version of that same lightweight fought at the same 142 pounds he did against Mayweather and managed to, in most eyes, win a November 2011 showdown with Pacquiao.

So yeah, I'll go as far as to say every single one of the fights listed are GREAT. I know there are counter arguments to every fight, but none of which in the case of these 14 opponents do I believe will be closer to reality than the descriptions I typed up.

 

are yall ****ing serious sometimes?
on top of this cotto is gettin 9-3'd at best ;

 

No. Probably #5 or #6, depending on whether you want to say Mosley was shot with 20/20 hindsight. At a bare bare minimum, Castillo, Corrales and Hernandez were better. DLH has a solid argument, although they're both about at the same levels of their respective careers. Cotto is probably better than Mosley, but H2H this Cotto beats that Mosley 10 times out of 10. Marquez was a better fighter but just way too small and he doesn't really count. I'm not sure the Hatton Mayweather fought was much worse than this Cotto either, but he has the same size problem.

 

*******s really want this fight to mean something lol.

 

No, a bigger name than Castillo or Corrales maybe but not better than them at the time he fought them. The best fighter Floyd has fought at the time he fought them was Castillo IMO. Hernandez was on his way out though a very good win and one of his best. Corrales was his best performance.

 

Once yall realize that floyd is an ATG and theres no real way to beat him, i think it'll be easier for yall

 

so obviously no ATG can ever be beaten by anyone :think

 

Yes

 

Not every one of those fights was great (not without a little revisionist history anyway), but some of them were. The real issue is that he has yet to fight the best fighter at any weight he's competed at above 135. He fought Hatton at 147, which is nice, but not as good of a fight as it would have been at 140. He's fighting Cotto now, but it's not as good of a fight as it would have been at 140 or 147. From a business perspective these didn't make a ton of sense, but he never fought Margarito or Williams at 147, both of whom at their peak brought some qualities to the table that Floyd had some minor trouble with in the past. Of course he still hasn't fought Pacquiao. He fought a lot of top guys at 130 and 135 , but missed at least one top dog with a legitimate claim in each weight class (Popo, Spadafora, Casamayor, etc.). None of those in itself is a cardinal sin, but together they create a real pattern of avoidance. He would have been a solid favorite to win all of them, but if he's a 4-1 favorite on average, then that means odds are he loses one of them just because he has an off night.

If he went out and fought Martinez for the lineal 160 pound title, a fight I think Floyd would win surprisingly easily, I'd shut up about it. That would be a serious risk. But he hasn't faced anyone that anyone thought was a risk since Corrales (other than possibly De La Hoya, but I think that can be attributed to homerism more than anything), and it's not because there weren't available fighters that some people thought were a risk.

 

Corrales yes, castillo maybe, dlh and mosley definitely not since they were both way pass their primes.

:hat

 

Hoya was +200 against Mayweather (and I remember this because I got $200 back for putting $500 on Mayweather). Cotto is nowhere near that close in odds. Maybe it's just a matter of perception though (possibly), but frankly Cotto is pretty far past his prime too. Both guys were up a weight class, naturally about the same size, and in the 10-15 P4P range when he fought them. It's a close call IMO. And don't forget, while I do think Mayweather won quite clearly and easily, DLH did give Floyd his toughest fight since the first Castillo fight.