The all things technical thread.

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by slip&counter, Feb 5, 2012.


  1. Juan Ma Lopez

    Juan Ma Lopez Active Member Full Member

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    Not at all. Your wrong on this one. You act like his feet were crossed or you could just say his feet were all wrong without saying what was wrong. There was nothing wrong with them thats why. Even when he fell down you can see his feet were set. His feet were never crossed. You really need to watch more boxing if you think the reason he got hit was because his feet were wrong lol. He got hit in the face not his legs ffs.

    I mentioned the floyd ortiz fight because of his gif when he slips outside the straight and counters with the right.

    I am not gonna discuss this anymore I thik your clutching at straws and instead of admitting you got it wrong straight away your trying to convince yourself you were right.
     
  2. Jdsm

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    One thing I get fighters with good reach to work on is using the left hook as a set up punch for the straight right. If you do it correctly, even a 'throw away' left hook sets up the straight right fantastically.

    I think I first noticed Tommy Hearns using it, and since then I was watching a video where Manny Steward is showing a fighter on the pads the benefit of using it. It's particularly effective if you're a fighter that works primarily behind the jab imo. Wlad Klitschko also uses it very well.

    The thing that's great is that it doesn't even have to be a meaningful left hook, it can just be a throw away punch thrown from range. An example of Wlad throwing a good setup left hook when all he is really bothered about is landing the right hand is shown at around 7:00 in the below video:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elkj-nroI40"]www.youtube.com/watch?v=elkj-nroI40[/ame]

    It may seem obvious, but if any of you guys work with fighters, particularly tall, rangey fighters where people will use a high guard and look to parry away the jab constantly, get them to use the left hook to set up a good right hand. The left hook is generally going to make the guy move his right hand and create the opening for the straight right, but not only that, the left hook can also allow the fighter to generate more power from the straight right, because of the hip rotation from the left hook.

    Vid with Manny Steward showing somebody how to do it:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7511akrFdIE[/ame]
     
  3. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    You're right.

    - Floyd is a southpaw.

    - Southpaws very often try to get themselves knocked out.

    - Your feet have nothing to do with your defense and in your getting hit or your ability to avoid punches.

    - Zab is the greatest thing that ever lived and has perfect footwork. Only gets hit because he showboats.

    I clearly need to watch more boxing.


    ;):lol::good
     
  4. Juan Ma Lopez

    Juan Ma Lopez Active Member Full Member

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    Absolutely clueless. "There are only two types of footwork."
     
  5. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    I bow to your superior knowledge.
     
  6. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Thanks for sharing that.

    You can even see there the difference in how pads are worked, Manny asking for the jab to his right hand. Now when i boxed a fair few coaches asked for the jab to go to there left hand and right hand to there right. So always across.
     
  7. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Good stuff, mate. That's a good way of setting up your right hand, rather than just the traditional way. Sometimes fighters can cancel eachother out when they paw and jab with eachother looking for openings.

    On a side note: The left hook is probabily my favourite punch. Love a good left hook. It's the best knockout punch for me because of where it comes from. It can also be thrown from different angles. It's very effective but you have to becareful you don't get countered after attempting a left hook. I think the key with the left hook is not to over rotate on it and to snap it. It's also a punch that can be thrown many ways and easier to learn.

    I loved how Tito Trinidad use to throw the left hook out of the pocket. He really use to pivot into it. He also used what you described. He would fake with his left hook and then bring the right hand into play. It worked a treat in the Vargas fight.
     
  8. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Good point about the wraps. I'm convinced many trainers don't know how to wrap hands properly. Some fighters actually wrap their on hands and many are 'fussy' about it too. I think it's something that's really important and should be done right. It will cause injury and even your power will suffer.

    Many people make the mistake of thinking that the wraps are there just for cushioning and pretecting you on impact. But the wraps should be protecting your knuckles, bones and metatarsals in your hands.

    I use to make the mistake of hitting the bag without any handwraps :patsch and my hands are f**k'd now.

    The handwraps when they're put on shouldn't be too loose. That is the biggest mistake that is made imo. When the handwraps are loose is when you're at great risk of injuries and breaks. The wraps should be very rigid and firm when you close the fist with no looseness.
     
  9. Jdsm

    Jdsm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cheers lads. Although he is cursed by many, Wlad is great study material from a technical stand point. He's a LOT more technical than he gets credit for.
     
  10. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    I always wanted my wrists wrapped tightly, plus protection on knuckles. Also a lot of kids have hand issues IMO cos they worked bags without wraps.
     
  11. BlackBrenny

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    guilty, ripped my knuckles up
     
  12. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    :good

    My dad wouldn't allow me to do anything on bags till i was wrapped so by time i went on my own i'd never do it. I learned how to wrap to way that suited me and thank the lord my hands are in good shape bar a sore knuckle from a streetfight as a teen.
     
  13. Jdsm

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    You NEED to protect the carpal bones aswell, which is what a lot of people neglect, then they break upwards.
     
  14. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Yep. Technically Wlad is a pretty refined for his style. He's just not a natural fighter like Vitali is and that's what hurts him. He use to have a lot of anxiety and Steward done a lot of work with him in trying to get him comfortable in the ring. Wlad is just not big, that's not the only thing that gives him the advantage. A lot of fighters are big and there have been many super heavyweights who haven't dominated. But Wlad combines size with good technical ability and that's what makes him difficult to beat, especially now he's comfortable in the ring and the panickness has pretty much been eradicated, although the trait is still somewhat there. It can come back if the right opponent takes him to certain spots. But for the most part the Wlad of before and the current version is apples and oranges.

    Wlad controls distance very well. He doesn't need to land his jab to be effective. Many fighters who are jabbers and jab orientated have to find you with that initial one to get their game started, but not with Wlad. He can paw with his jab and just needs to create space and change/control distance.

    One thing Wlad does so well is he throws a nice jab, left hook. He'll jab and jab and then throw the occassional right hand. This makes the opponent think he's figured out and is comfortable with the punching pattern and then Wlad will very sneakily bring the left hook into play when they're assuming he'll throw a right hand.

    He also does a wonderful job of throwing different types of jabs.
     
  15. izmat

    izmat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    check out the technique on the left hook 0:48

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4CgiDP-3sQ[/ame]