Who won Pacquiao vs Marquez?

duranimal · Jan 30, 2012

divac said: ↑

LOL, yeah the fighter thats commiting to his punches and letting them fly with torque is the one thats being cautious.:nut
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Thats just over selective observation & not a true picture of a 3 minute round as you well know:yep

eze · Jan 30, 2012

bandeedo said: ↑

i voted draw because when i watched it live i had jmm the clear winner, but when i rewatched it the 2nd time a few weeks later, without the expectations i had pre bout, i scored it for pac. too many haters here to give the poll any type of legitimate meaning, other than there are too many people unable to set their hate aside to score a fight. i had it even after the first 8 rounds, the last 4 rds is where i had difficulty deciding a winner.
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A draw? Damn.

I had it 118-110 live...

duranimal · Jan 30, 2012

eze said: ↑

A draw? Damn.

I had it 118-110 live...
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I must admit It looked sorter like that but i'd already done about 10 Tecata's chased down with blood marys for the vitimin C

I was in section 119, row J, $1200 jobs, surrounded by mightily pissed off Mexicans

eze · Jan 31, 2012

duranimal said: ↑

I must admit It looked sorter like that but i'd already done about 10 Tecata's chased down with blood marys for the vitimin C

I was in section 119, row J, $1200 jobs, surrounded by mightily pissed off Mexicans
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Theres a vast difference between scoring a fight in the arena than at home. :good

bandeedo · Jan 31, 2012

eze said: ↑

A draw? Damn.

I had it 118-110 live...
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yes, but you are one of a handful of posters that i would expect that type of score out of. just like i expected certain posters to have pac winning by several points. you can forget your own posting history but many of us other posters have pretty good memories.

Bladegunner · Feb 5, 2012

divac said: ↑

What the hell are you talking about? No one has ever claimed Pacquiao did'nt land anything.
You compare the effectiveness of each fighters clean connects and in comparison Pacquiao landed very little of what is called effective connects.
You're pretty much saying it and agreeing with it yourself, but then want to grasp at the slo-mo aspect of it admitting you could'nt see anything effective being landed by Pacquiao in real time.
You pretty much take any connect that really isnt much effective, watch it on slomo, and see the other fighter make a face when he's connected upon.
Watch the same punch in real time, and you see that the fighter in the recieving end of tha punch did'nt much as acknowleadge it as a connect.

Fighters get hit all the time. When you judge a fight you have to judge what was clean and effective and what was not.

Thats guaged in real time, not on slomo. You have'nt been watching boxing very much if you cant sense and read when a fighters landed a clean, hard, effective shot.
How could I tell that Pacquiao's shots were mostly ineffective?
The way Marquez handled them. Never flinching and never shying away from the prospect of getting out his own combinations with "power"

When you have a fighter planting his feet and unleaching with torque and power. Thats pretty much a fighter who's not afraid of whats comeing at him on the recieving end.

Flip the coin and ask yourself that of Pacquiao. Was he not hesitant to plant his feet to unleach with torque and power???
He most certainly was afraid. He was constantly getting hammered hard on the counter and it showed in the way he became just content to flick arm punches in the form to guage Marquez' target.
Punches with torque and leverage behind them? Pacquiao landed almost nothing. The few times he attempted to land clean and hard, he was being driven back by Marquez' hard connect counters.

Thats the aim of the counterpuncher. Marquez is taking a step back everytime Pacquiao sets to punch, the purpose of it to throw Pacquiao out of rhythm. It worked like a charm. Pacquiao was left reaching and Marquez opened up the avenue for which to land hard with counters.

Whether a punch landed or missed, Marquez was always half stepping and lateralling and giving himself room to land the counter.
To somehow allude that Pacquiao was being effective because Marquez was half stepping to find himself room is ridiculous and goes to show how little you know about the nuances and intracacies of the sport.

Of course he was. One torqueless ineffective arm punch and away he went. To do otherwise and Pacquiao was being bombarded by the clean torque filled counter.
That was the fight in a nutshell. After a while, Pacquiao became shy to come at Marquez with any kind of mustard, and even in that mode, Marquez was finding Pacquiao with probing jabs to the midsection and following it up with hard leads to the head.
The fight was one of the most easiest fights to score its laughable that one would try to make a case it was even close on the cards.
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Well said:thumbsup

Badbot · Feb 5, 2012

divac said: ↑

What the hell are you talking about? No one has ever claimed Pacquiao did'nt land anything.
You compare the effectiveness of each fighters clean connects and in comparison Pacquiao landed very little of what is called effective connects.
You're pretty much saying it and agreeing with it yourself, but then want to grasp at the slo-mo aspect of it admitting you could'nt see anything effective being landed by Pacquiao in real time.
You pretty much take any connect that really isnt much effective, watch it on slomo, and see the other fighter make a face when he's connected upon.
Watch the same punch in real time, and you see that the fighter in the recieving end of tha punch did'nt much as acknowleadge it as a connect.

Fighters get hit all the time. When you judge a fight you have to judge what was clean and effective and what was not.

Thats guaged in real time, not on slomo. You have'nt been watching boxing very much if you cant sense and read when a fighters landed a clean, hard, effective shot.
How could I tell that Pacquiao's shots were mostly ineffective?
The way Marquez handled them. Never flinching and never shying away from the prospect of getting out his own combinations with "power"

When you have a fighter planting his feet and unleaching with torque and power. Thats pretty much a fighter who's not afraid of whats comeing at him on the recieving end.

Flip the coin and ask yourself that of Pacquiao. Was he not hesitant to plant his feet to unleach with torque and power???
He most certainly was afraid. He was constantly getting hammered hard on the counter and it showed in the way he became just content to flick arm punches in the form to guage Marquez' target.
Punches with torque and leverage behind them? Pacquiao landed almost nothing. The few times he attempted to land clean and hard, he was being driven back by Marquez' hard connect counters.

Thats the aim of the counterpuncher. Marquez is taking a step back everytime Pacquiao sets to punch, the purpose of it to throw Pacquiao out of rhythm. It worked like a charm. Pacquiao was left reaching and Marquez opened up the avenue for which to land hard with counters.

Whether a punch landed or missed, Marquez was always half stepping and lateralling and giving himself room to land the counter.
To somehow allude that Pacquiao was being effective because Marquez was half stepping to find himself room is ridiculous and goes to show how little you know about the nuances and intracacies of the sport.

Of course he was. One torqueless ineffective arm punch and away he went. To do otherwise and Pacquiao was being bombarded by the clean torque filled counter.
That was the fight in a nutshell. After a while, Pacquiao became shy to come at Marquez with any kind of mustard, and even in that mode, Marquez was finding Pacquiao with probing jabs to the midsection and following it up with hard leads to the head.
The fight was one of the most easiest fights to score its laughable that one would try to make a case it was even close on the cards.
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Beautiful.
As you said, it was a easy fight to score. Easiest of the three fights.

Mendoza · Feb 5, 2012

Marquez won easy.

StreetsofRAGE · Feb 5, 2012

Marquez won 8-4.

Bladegunner · Feb 12, 2012

Bump

sdsfinest22 · Feb 12, 2012

JMM 8-4

Most of these polls in forums have it about 70-80 percent for JMM winning or a draw.

sdsfinest22 · Feb 12, 2012

As I stated before -MOST POLLS HAVE JMM WINNING WITH THE FANS/WRITERS/MEDIA/BOXING HISTORIANS, ETC...

Most polls favor JMM by win or draw 7 to 8 for every 10 that vote-

This was by far a huge robbery as the statistics show.

Even Floyd-Castillo 1 only has about 5-6 posters a draw/win for Castillo-the numbers in this poll are even more lopsided than that one fight alone.

sdsfinest22 · Feb 12, 2012

*******s tend to stay out of this thread-they get exposed pretty bad in this thread as the numbers do not lie-

In almost any poll u find, you will find that the numbers are like this OR WORSE IN MANY CASES..

This poll is the 2nd closest I've seen Pac to a W and he only has 26 percent..in another forum he has 28 percent of the vote-another one like 18 and another like 14..

add all the polls up and that I've seen and it takes pac every poll i've seen to match up with JMM's numbers in 2 different polls-

Pac lost the third fight and most fans know it-plus styles make fights and the fight style of JMM posses many of the same qualities that Mayweather possess, but Floyd is bigger, faster, and better at em.

RealBoxing · Feb 12, 2012

9-3 Marquez by easy schooling.
Fight wasnt even close. :deal

Bald_Toad · Feb 12, 2012

the users who voted for mayweather should all be banned, it would end all the trolling, all the stupidity and just clean up this forum for good

if anything fight was a draw

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