What if Tyson had kept his corner complete for his entire career?

1990: He beats Buster Douglas by KO

1990: Evander Holyfield knocks Tyson out in 10

1991: Knocks out Razor Ruddock

Goes to Jail for ****


1995: Riddick Bowe wins on pts

Lennox Lewis Knocks tyson out

Avoids fighting George Foreman , has to pay him off


1996 Tyson knocks out a bum in 2
Knocks out Michael Mooorer

1997 David Tua Knocks Tyson out in 4

1998 Tyson knocks out a bum in 3

1999 Ike Ibeabuchi Knocks tyson out in 9


Tysonn retires

 

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ARE YOU FOR REAL?!:silly



Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke

 

Noone can say Tyson definitely gets beat by any of his future potential opponents.

The difference was Tyson was a disciplined fighter under Rooney. Rooney being an ex fighter knew the importance of discipline for every opponent because of what would later happen to Tyson against Douglas.

Tyson was looking really good. Undefeated and dominating every opponent. His future opponents weren't even close with the same opposition. Tyson by the Spinks fight was ready for any fighter down the line. Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, all great fights and Tyson would have been the favorite to beat them all.

 

Mike Tyson would have never lost to Douglas.

Mike Tyson would have broken Marciano's record, retired undefeated and gone down as the greatest heavyweight that ever lived.

 

Seriously?

 

Unbeating?

 

wow, I never posted in this?

No excuses, it is what it is.

I was reading 'Facing Tyson' lately though and there's a great chapter on Buster Mathis jr, who knew Tyson well and he spoke a lot about something called 'The Willie', which was a system which the D'amato camp used for punching the bag. Certain shots were coded with numbers, Kevin Rooney would shout out the number sequences and then Tyson would hit the combo on the bag. Mathis jr was watching Tyson fight in the later part of his career and he said he could tell right away that Tyson 'wasn't training with the willie', and had became a head hunter.

 

why woul dtyson ever fight tillman if he never lost to douglas?????..to avenge his amatuer loss???

 

Yes, that is what I believe.

 

if rooney in corner..............tko douglas in 6 rds.........then tkos holy 9 rds ....then tko donovan ruddock.......then tkos tim witherspoon........tko lennox lewis......but by 1993 tyson is starting to slip.....bowe/tyson in 93????? tyson woulda been 27 yrs of age....and a short fighter peaking from age 20 to 27 as a heavyweight?????...you got to be realistic......lets say tyson does beat bowe in 93.........then hes got mercer in 94 and tyson would be 28 yrs of age.....at that point i think a mercer....or even moorrer(who is chinless)..or even morrison at that point i know it sounds awfull but fighers do get old especially short heavyweights...they peak for 3 yrs at best...

 

Pretty spot on as I see it. Although if he does beat Bowe in '93, it warrants a rematch. Which Tyson loses.

 

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Exactly right!

Also I must say this....people that compare thE post prison Tyson That lost to Holy to the pre prison Tyson that was stronger, moved his head, could absorb a shot better and had better handspeed and footspeed are just delusional or Haters.....or just plain stupid.

Surely it's clear that the Tyson who: came out of prison to beat the woeful Mckneely, looked awful in the first 2 rounds against Mathis before his power told, smashed an ageing Bruno in what looked like his best performance in terms of timing and who barely clipped the paper champ seldon wasn't the same man physically as the beast that Destroyed Berbick, Thomas, spinks etc etc.....Pre prison Tyson would've destroyed Post prison Tyson in 4 rds, heck the dimensions of both men visually were different! Post Prison Tyson simply wasn't as solid in his frame as Pre prison Tyson....he also threw a basic jab right hand combination...granted, when he got his opponent hurt with the right hand...he did finish well in some fights...i.e Bruno, Saverese the examples....but he wasn't the same fighter....physically or Mentally.

So the people who say that Holy had his number....well we'll never know but Tyson would've been a stronger fighter than the man who fought Holy in 96 and again in 97(must point out that Tyson was dominating the 3rd round before commiting the foul) His body conditioning i.e ability to absorb blows would've been better and unlike post prison Mike....he would've been fighter and more able to last 12 rounds.....so in saying that, I don't see Holy having Pre prison Tyson's number....he just got a Tyson that spent 3 years not being able to train...not being able to condition his body to take blows and not having the same fitness that he'd had in the late 80's.

As for the Buster Douglas fight....I'm truly of the opinion that if the fight had been staged in the U.S Tyson would've finished the job in less than 8rds......The press would've been all over the greg page knockdown in training and the fact that Tyson was overweight and out of shape as late as 2 weeks before the fight...so Tyson would've been under scrutiny to put more effort into his training...that scrutiny wasn't there in Tokyo...infact most reporters stayed at home not bothering to even cover the fight!

Having said that...Tyson without rooney was a car crash waiting to happen...King, Holloway and the rest were just bad influences on an already mentally damaged Tyson....it's possible that Tyson may have killed someone or even been shot himself had he got through indianapolis, or infact never went there.



Tyson with rooney equals Tyson without King, holloway, and Horne....whether Rooney would've controlled Tyson to the end of his career is debatable...I think the combination of Jacobs dying, the divorce and splitting from Rooney made any potential Tyson meltdown expediated..



1990 Tyson v Douglas.....win 6th rd

1990 Tyson v Holy...win 11th rd

1991 Tyson V Ruddock...win 10th rd

1991 Tyson v Holy win points

1992 Tyson v Lewis win 8th rd

1992 Tyson v Foreman win 10th rd stoppage

1993 Tyson v Holy win points

1993 Tyson v Lewis win 5th rd

1994 Tyson v Bruno win 3rd rd

1994 Tyson V McCall win Points

1994 Tyson v Seldon win 1st rd

1994 Tyson V Akinwande win 9th rd stoppage and equals Marciano's 49 unbeaten fight run...proclaimed as the greatest of all time by the world boxing journo's

1995 Tyson fights a few nondescript fighters to take his record to 51-0-


1995 Accusations of Tyson fathering illegitimate kids does the rounds, along with more groping accusations

America is disgusted and Tyson protests his innocence...rooney splits from Tyson a few months later citing disagreements in the camp.

1996 Tyson signs with don king

1996 Tyson v Bowe L points

1996 Tyson v Mercer W points

1997 Tyson v Bowe 2 L 10th rd stoppage

1998 Tyson jailed for 2years GBH

1999 Tyson v saverese w 2rd

1999 Tyson v Orlin Norris W 5th rd

1999 Tyson v Botha w 7th rd

2000 Tyson V Lewis L 8th rd


Retires



I can definitely see this happening although I expect the haters to accuse me of being a student of "Tysonology"

 

his corner not being there is not what made Mike great, it was what he learned from Cus Damato and being able to stay disciplined. Mike in his prime was almost unbeatable. Guys could not hit him, and when they missed he would be within range for his devastating punches. When he got older he didn't train as hard and took it all for granted and his defense slipped and then it all changed. If Damato had lived I do think Mike would have stayed on course more, but it doesn't matter if he had Kevin Rooney or Clayton and all that. Mike at his best could beat anyone. Just imagine 1986-1989 for another 5 years.

 

I agree Tyson wasnt as solid in his frame post-prison... With the exception of Holyfield II.

 

He was done mentally, I do not agree much with Teddy Atlas but he was right when he proclaimed " the man dont want to fight anymore"

When he broke the staredown with Holy I knew this is going to end bad, and it DID end bad.