The all things technical thread.

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  1. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Lets get into another discussion, fellas. For years the consensus has been that fighters are either born with power or not, and i think there's a lot of truth in that. But i also think power can be significantly improved due to technique. Anyway thoughts?
     
  2. pathmanc1986

    pathmanc1986 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its interesting no doubt

    I saw a interview with a retired Julian Jackson and he thought his power was natural

    Then again you read about how Hearns wasnt a puncher at all in the amateurs and it was steward developing him to punch with power changed him in the pros
     
  3. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Yep. A lot of fighters 'grew' into being knockout artists. And some are just one's throughout.

    I think it can be improved in terms of learning how to transfer weight, learning where the power is generated, setting up punches properly etc all comes into it. And it all goes back to proper teaching and schooling.

    In general it's nature over nurture in terms of freakish power.
     
  4. Jasper Simone

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    Junior Witter is an example of a fighter who improved his power by changing his technique to a degree.
     
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  6. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    How would people go about improving power?

    I think what i would do is check the technique and compactness of the punches. I would get the fighter watching how Joe Louis threw is punches. Studying how compact they were and how there was very little wasted motion but still maximised power. Giving the effect on the opponents like they'd been hit by a sniper in the crowd.

    - Check things like if the fighter is throwing his punches with an open fist. What i mean by that is, some fighters when they land open the fist slightly which impacts on the power.

    - Get them following through on the punch.

    - Check if they're using the heavy bag (the main power training tool) properly.

    - Check the breathing.

    - And most importantly the legs. See if they're transferring weight properly on their feet. Get them bending the knees slightly, dropping the weight into the punches and pivoting in the direction of the punches.
     
  7. Boxing&Blues

    Boxing&Blues Member Full Member

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    This. Not enough fighters sit down on their punches anymore which is probably thanks to the amateur system again.
     
  8. Moochie

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    Punching power is innate. No question. Hearns could always crack, that just wasn't his style as an amateur. He was a high-volume boxer/mover, not to mention he'd yet to grow into his body/legs and make the most of those freakish physical attributes.

    Not to mention he's pretty much the only example ever brought up in this debate. Technique can be used to make a fighter more consistent with their power, but it's not gonna bring out something they didn't already have.
     
  9. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    What i find is that big punchers almost always control their body weight. Whilst light punchers tend to punch from their arms exclusively.
     
  10. izmat

    izmat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've posted this before from some soviet studies on power punching :

    "There have been some very interesting soviet studies on what makes a technically sound punch. The soviets looked at 120 boxers ranging from amateurs to experienced professionals. This study found that among the highest level boxers, the highest percent of their power (38.46%) came from the push-off of their back leg, whereas the arm extension and trunk rotation accounted for 24.12% and 37.42% respectively. Even more interesting was that the high level boxers were more ‘well rounded’ with their power development compared to the less experienced boxers (arm extension 37.99%, trunk rotation 45.50% and leg extension 16.51%). This shows that with an increase in boxing skill and experience, boxers improve coordination between arm, leg and trunk movements. Coaches working with junior strikers should give great attention to improving power within the legs, and their ability to coordinate the legs, trunk, & arms."
     
  11. Moochie

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    It's all natural inclination. Watch someone like Johnny Tapia. He looks like he's about to **** bricks with the amount of body he put into his punches, but he had nothing more than good pop. On the other hand, someone like Foreman, with just a swing of the arm, would club a fighter through the canvas.

    Countless examples of seeing fighters (street or in the gym) with my own eyes as well. Many guys with no training simply have a natural ability to put body into their punch. Many guys with training, regardless of technique, have little to no pop.
     
  12. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Yep. Also the style, mentality, instincts all come into it. Like i said it's nature over nurture. But with some guys it can be improved, while others will just never be big punchers.

    I just think though would Joe Louis or Finito Lopez be such devastating punchers without that perfecting of technique. In some cases it's not a straight forward answer.
     
  13. brown bomber

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    You should do both.... Long runs are great for improving the bodies ability to shift waste product during strenuous exercise- that in itself is very important.

    The weight loss thing is a bit redundant if your doing things properly. You'll burn more cals during a HIIT circuit or boxing session - and in less time. The one benefit is its mindless and uses little co-ordination so a Long Slow Distance run can be done in a fasted state and thus utilise the bodies fat stores as opposed to whats being ingested .
     
  14. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Re power... I have one stoppage in 19 fights- ask Kev how hard I hit. I chin people for fun in the gym.... In fights I get too worked up and load up too much. Its as much about timing and situational awareness as it is about actual body strength and the force you can produce.

    I can push press over 65kgs 5-6 times... which isn't a lot for a strength athlete but for a ten and half stone boxer thats pretty outstanding and further evidence that power is not the biggest factor in KO's.
     
  15. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    OT can someone list every punch........