Which Middle weight has the best chance of beating Monzon?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by DonBoxer, Feb 17, 2012.


  1. MadcapMaxie

    MadcapMaxie Guest

    I don't rank Benny as being in the same league as either Lamotta or Fullmer.
    Lamotta was more skilled than Benny, better defense, faster hands, threw more volume of punches and fought from a crouch, i'd also be tempted to say he was physically stronger. He was alot more than a great chin.

    Fullmer is extremely awkward, very wild and rough style that Monzon, IMO, will have much more trouble taming. Monzon tamed Benny by controlling the tempo i have a hard time seeing him do this to Gene who was so strong, unpredictable and awkward.

    Both men also beat a faster, harder punching version of Monzon in SRR so i'd give em a shot.
     
  2. Lester1583

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    Same opinion.
     
  3. MadcapMaxie

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    Yeah i think you did, Jake get's seriously underrated here if you watch his films you'd see he had excellent defense and had an intelligent style of swarming he didn't just charge in, he ducked and weaved under punches and rolled with the ones that landed and threw ALOT of punches himself, certainly more than Bennys one, one, one-two, one, one....etc.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Jake got hit a lot by fighters with excellent offence, Robinson hit him almost at will in closing the show, Marshall apparently landed a huge amount of leather too, Monzon is certainly in Robinson's class for accuracy he's also better at making the opponent over-reach himself and isn't a mover like Robinson. LaMotta isn't going to have to look for him and is going to get hit a shitload.

    Personally I think Monzon would beat the crap out of LaMotta.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Fullmer beat a SRR who was 2 months off of 40 years old. Jake beat the welterweight Ray ONCE in 5 fights ,and he was receiving 16lbs..

    I agree Jake was more skilled than he is generally given credit for, but conceding 4 inches in height, and considerable reach, means he is in for along evening. He cannot out box Monzon, and does not have the power to stop him, could he outhustle him? Possible but unlikely, I think his style plays into Monzon's strengths .
     
  6. McGrain

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    LaMotta came 12th in the ESB MW poll, which i'd say is about right. 10-15 is OK.
     
  7. red cobra

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    Jones would do very well until the last three rounds. Monzon would stop him by 14.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Would you pick Jones over 12?

    How about 10?
     
  9. he grant

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    Roy Jones had the speed, size and power at 160 ...
     
  10. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The two whom I'd give the most chance are Sugar Ray Robinson and Marvin Hagler. No great surprise really,is it ?

    I'd give Hagler a 50/50 shot,and I'd make Robinson about 40/60.


    Don't get me wrong,like a lot of boxing fans I rate Ray as number one pound for pound,but Marvin and Carlos pip him at 160 lbs.
     
  11. Stevie G

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    Good match up,but i don't think Bernard would be quite busy enough.
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's all contingent on Monzon. He fought in the 15 round era and never started a fight in a hurry. He always gave away the first round and fought with no sense of urgency knowing that the fight was 15 rounds. He was a master of the 15 round distance and tended to own the 12 to 15 round zone. If the distance was 10 or 12 he would have made adjustments to the length of the fight and tailored his pace accordingly, As Jones had the superior natural gifts, Monzon was the superior ring general.
     
  13. red cobra

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    Jone's fragile chin would do him in vs Monzon, especially the Monzon of the Benvenuti bouts.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Sure, but your post indicates that you think Monzon would take some time to find, time and take out Jones?

    "Jones would do quite well until the late rounds."

    Presumably you think Jones would win a four round fight? Where is the tipping point?
     
  15. MadcapMaxie

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    If you saw my original post you'll see i said i could see them getting the nod due to their constant aggression e.g. outworking, outhustling. That's the only way i'd think they could win