Which Middle weight has the best chance of beating Monzon?

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jones would be hitting Monzon with big power shots from the start while not getting hit. Arguably the hardest hitter Monzon faced, but certainly the quickest and most accurate by a long way. How long could Monzon take those punches?
     
  2. McGrain

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    I think he'd get hit. I think he'd miss way more than you could ever admit (or even imagine, probably :lol:).
     
  3. MadcapMaxie

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    I think Monzon's ability to make a man over reach wouldn't mean much against Lamotta given Lamotta's reach and style. Lamotta didn't fire shots from long range he was always looking to close the distance and bore in with a barrage of punches to the body and head.

    Robinson was landing at will during the closing stages because Lamotta was having trouble making weight and gassed out by about the 11th round. In any case Lamotta taking a heap of punishment wouldn't bother him, it's to be expected his enourmous head is a sweet target and Monzon's super accurate straight punching would mean he is going to be getting hit a shitload. Like i said to mcvey and in my original post i think Lamotta could be given the nod due to his constant aggression and i could see him outwork Monzon to a descision IMO
     
  4. GPater11093

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    Im surprised no-ones called my Luis Manuel Rodriguez shout, I think he has the style and speed to give Monzon hell, I'm just not 100% on his durability and/or stamina to do it.
     
  5. bodhi

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    If Benvenuti could catch him, Monzon would catch him for sure.
     
  6. red cobra

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    As I was saying, depending on the length of the fight, Monzon would have adjusted his strategy. He was a "sit and wait" type in the 15 round fights. he would turn up the heat typically late in a fight, or on some occasions, fight as though he wanted to go home earlier. He usually controlled the pace of a fight. I think that if time were running out, or if a shorter distance would preclude "waiting it out" then he would have fought with more of a sense of urgency. The "four round fight" scenario would have hurt many a great, slow starting fighter. Marciano would have lost to many a second rater, to give an example. With Monzon and Jones, it would have been a stylistic pattern of the faster, more spectacular Jones getting off to a great start, but getting taken out to the deep water of the 12, 13, 14 round zone where he would have been mugged.
     
  7. McGrain

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    He certainly did fire shots from long range. In fact you could argue that his best punch was his jab!
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNbsSBEen-w&feature=related[/ame]

    Here you can see LaMotta getting tagged by right hands after missing with the jab, coming up short. In the first thirty or so seconds of the fight he gets tagged with 4 or 5 right hands in this exact fashion.

    LaMotta fought in the way you say he did only against someone who came and stood beside him, which is certainly nothing like a Monzon strategy.

    Watch from 45. secs. Even at mid-range, LaMotta repeatedly throws the jab to make openings. His first punch is usually of this type.

    Let's have a quick look at Robinson VI:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGsAWhOntCM[/ame]

    If you press play you'll get two jabs and a reaching right-hand to the body from outside.

    30 seconds - jab
    34 seconds - reaching hook from outside
    38 seconds - jab
    40 seconds - reahing right hand from outside
    43 seconds - jab

    In fact LaMotta rarely launches an attack without launching the type of punches Monzon was absolute expert in countering.

    LaMotta often had trouble making weight. I think the gassing may have had as much to do with the huge number of punches he shipped before then, as well as the massive dollop of those horrible round-the-corner right hands Sugar laid on his body.

    When great fighters meet, it's usually foolish to write one or the other off, but this is a rare instance where I feel pretty confident doing it - I think LaMotta would get the crap beaten out of him.
     
  8. McGrain

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    So you pick Monzon to beat Jones over 10?
     
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  10. MadcapMaxie

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    Good analysis, what about Fullmer? Very awkward, unpredictable, rough and insane stamina.
     
  11. McGrain

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    I wouldn't back Fulmer personally to beat Monzon I just think you need superb speed or flawless punching economy and accuracy to beat him
     
  12. red cobra

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    Yes, by a stoppage. a right finds that chin.
     
  13. bodhi

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    Over ten I wouldn´t be that confident. Jones will get hit but he will be able to mitigate quite alot of the power behind those punches. Monzon will beat him over 12 or 15 but 10 is about 50/50 I think.
     
  14. red cobra

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    Monzon, as proven by his record of 100 fights with no stoppage losses, was aan understated, yet profoundly intelligent, resilient clever fighter in his own right. I think he would avoid a ko by Jones and ultimately capitalize on reaching Jone's chin with a right hand similar to the one that ko'ed Nino. Monzon was a very special cat, as Jones woul,d find out..a master ring general. His fighting brain is his key to winning as much as if not more than any nphysical attributes.Winning ugly is still winning.
     
  15. PowerPuncher

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    Why Monzon's defence, while good and underrated, is much more penetrable than Toney or Hopkins who were hit at will. Who exactly does Jones have a problem landing on? This isn't a 34yo lightweight Napoles. Monzon's jab is his only real strength to get him into this match up, but it looks too slow here