Which Middle weight has the best chance of beating Monzon?

I understand - you have a personal preference for 15 round fantasy match ups.

But who would you pick over 10 an 12?

 

This notion you have of "hitting at will" is a bit silly. It very rarely happens - it certainly didn't happen in Toney or Hopkins fights. Is there any reason he didn't land 100 punches a round if this is the case?

And I don't say that Jones couldn't hit Monzon, but this other idea you have off Jones landing "power shots from the start and not getting hit" seems rather juvenile to me? I doubt you really believe it. It may be technically true in the sense that Jones would fight very scared (although perhaps not literally scared) and would perhaps land 4 punches that were not jabbed whilst getting jabbed twice (actually even this isn't technically correct -Monzon will hit Jones ) but it doesn't reflect any kind of reality I can imagine.

 

Big shout. I do think the 15 round distance suits Monzon. His style called for him to discourage and break an opponent, deflect him from specific plans and dampen his offence. He was a great general but he wasn't a jedi. I think your late KO pick is about right.

I think that over 10, Jones can be slightly favoured. 12 is probably the tipping point where I would start to make Monzon a slight favourite. Jones's obvious disadvantage over 15 would make Monzon a reasonable favourite to me.

 

Whoooa! Why was it an "offnight"? He was troubled, wasn't he? He was feinted and baited into throwing a punch that he didn't want to throw, over and over again, and Griffin dipped out of the way of that punch. He showed, clearly, that Jones could be troubled and thrown of his rhythm. What Jones showed, in the rest of his career, was that this was very difficult to do

Jones was, at times, KTFO by inferior opposition.

To aggressive I think. But he was tough to hit clean and made every single fighter he faced over-reach, over-extend.

Weak chin + over-reaching = KTFO, more often than not. Of course, this fight is much more complicated than that.

But it's also much more complicated than Jones walks in "lands at will" whilst "not getting hit", that's just embarrassing, that's just ridiculous. That's how it would happen in a Roy Jones comic book, which you'd probably be illustrating by the way

Monzon was more experienced than all of them, bigger than McCallum (who doesn't even really bare that much comaprison), tougher than all of them apart from Hopkins who is not a good comparison at that point in his career (22-1 doesn't really compare sensibly with 81-3).

But this thing you have about the Monzon jab is half the picture. If Monzon can land his jab he can hit you with the right hand. I can see Jones getting away from both, to a degree, but I think he'd actually drop rounds to Monzon that way, a la Mayweather versus De La Hoya. But when Jones starts to slow/down, fight, he better not get hit with that jab. He just better not.

I thin he would, and I think he would get hit with it pretty often as the fight wore on. I pick Jones to stay out of harm's way over ten, but it's not a confident pick. The longer it goes the more hard punches he's going to ship. I just think Monzon will trip, trap and over extend Jones onto harder punches, and stop him.

Jones had had 24 fights the last time he was small enough to face Monzon. He was protected coming up. To me, he is just not experienced enough to sensibly picked to defeat a machine like Monzon IMO.

But Jones was special and I could be surprised. But it definitely wouldn't be the embarrassing picture you paint.

He was young, inexperienced, knows boxing and is in with a flat out killer at the weight. I think he would box to keep Monzon out, keep moving, try to stay out of trouble, especially early. He wants to avoid any difficult early on especially, or that would be my guess.

Maybe he comes out all guns blazing, but he certainly didn't do that against Hopkins who was nothing like as good as he would become, or as good as Monzon.