Imagine a prime Joe Frazier against Vitali

Of course he was when facing fighters with great bobbing and weaving abilities like Peter and Arreola. :roll: They're not exactly hard to land punches on.

 

1) Vitali is 40 years old.

2) Vitali was injured.

3) Chisora is bigger than Frazier.

 

Imagine a 40 year old Frazier against a prime Vitali, or even against Chisora.

Oh wait, Frazier retired at 32.

 

Welcome to planet ESB. Where the past boxers of the 70's and 80's would always "feast" "have their way" "demolish" the best heavies of today despite being 30-40 pounds lighter and giving up 4-6 inches in height. atsch atsch :nut :nut

 

Because the Heavyweighs of today are the product of a shallow talent pool. Where a lack of conditioning, excess bodyweight consisting of FAT and muscle that is far from functional is the norm. Once guys start getting over 200 pounds skills, speed, and power can offset sheer size. There is a limitation to how much of your size you can impose on your oponent in boxing. You are using your hands primarily. Does anyone think Chisora cracks harder than Sonny Liston for example? Is stronger than Sonny Liston? The ripped and lean Sonny who was about 215 pounds in his prime yet had a huge thick frame. His bone structure was enormous and thats what matters. Evander Holyfield who was naturally a cruiser was competitive against the likes of a prime Riddick Bowe and could hang in there with Lennox Lewis. Size does matter but it isn't everything and it carries constraints. Get a clue.

 

Ali And Frazier were ****ed after long illustrious careers against top notch opposition.

Averaging over 80 punches against who? yes against Chris ****ing Arreola. Guys like chris arreola constitute this 'new breed' of heavyweight. The product of modern sports science and nutrition.

 

:deal

 

HE was a huge man then at 220 pounds. He was BIGGER then Derek Chisora. He just wasn't heavier. He wasn't bloated. He wasn't carrying excess bodyfat and mass that isn't functional.

What we see in the HW division at the exception of a few are guys that are Bloated, carrying weight above what is optimum, above what is natural for their frame. They weigh in heavier than greats of the past but their actual FRAMES aren't that big. What is sacrificed is speed and conditioning. This sacrifice is made for very little if any gain whatsoever. Size only matters when you can use it and impose it.

 

Well the Klitschko dickriding has reached proportions to this point unheard of

I personally am disgusted, size and size alone has become the criteria by which all fighters must be judged according to you disgusting vermenous Klit lickers

 

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That would be a good point to stop reading.

 

imagine a prime tyson? vitali would have been out of there in under 5 rounds. theres no way hes beating smoking joe, gene tunney, rocky marciano, jack dempsey or any of the great HW fighters

 

hes ****ing 40 years old u ****ing ****

thats like me saying did u tyson at 39 lose to ****ing kevin mcbride, vitli would have him out in 3 rounds

 

Chisora has barely proved himself beyond UK domestic level at a time when such a level is as weak as it possibly has ever been.

Frazier on the other hand...

 

Again this threads existence damages the credibility of this boxing forum.


Keith