Booth: "What David did was a defensive reflex" - German Boxing Fed wants Life ban

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  1. AnotherFan

    AnotherFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was approached by three men. One of them a condemned criminal. It's a lot easier to be laid back about the whole situation from the outside. If you are in it, you wont have time to think.
     
  2. james4210

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    Haye = ****ing star
     
  3. Stinky gloves

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  4. madballster

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    He tried to smash the tripod over Don Charles head as he was wrestled to the floor but instead hit his buddy Adam Booth.

    So much for the 'self defense' theory. For whatever reason, Haye last weekend turned into a drunkard street fighter and aggressor. There's no excuse here. End of story.
     
  5. AnotherFan

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    Is Don Charles the goon that went for Haye after Chisora had been fended off? Since Haye was under assualt of multiple opponents it was either beeing the aggressor or becoming another victim for criminals on a rampage.

    Haye acted in selfdefence. There are no questionmarks.
     
  6. MickeyBlueEyess

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    Your talking **** pal, Haye defended himself, nothing would of happened if Chisora hadnt of approached him with his entourage, took his jacket off, put his face into Hayes as well as his fist on his chin. Chisora had already promised to slap him.

    Should Haye have just said, please dont do that?

    Get real ffs :patsch
     
  7. froog

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    you need to change your avatar bro, that **** is gay as ****. Real Talk.
     
  8. madballster

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    I am not sure if you realize this, but taking a weapon such as a tripod and injuring or killing an unarmed man - even if he is an aggressor - can be ruled armed assault or homicide. Haye was swinging a 15 lbs tripod that's about in the same weapon class as a baseball bat.

    It doesn't matter if the guy run at him or tried to hit him with his bare fists.

    If you were correct then I could simply go to some random football match, yell at a couple unarmed enemy hooligans, make them run towards me, let them take a swing at me and then pull a gun and shoot them one by one. According to your theory I'd be acting in self-defense and would simply walk away a free man.

    There have been dozens of publicized cases of people shooting unarmed burglars in their own homes thinking they're acting in self-defense and they ended up going to jail for homicide.

    The key question is if your opponent is armed or not. Don Charles wasn't armed as Haye tried to smash his head in with the tripod while Don was defenseless, wrestled to the floor by Adam Booth.
     
  9. MickeyBlueEyess

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    Did Haye kill anyone? Slightly different, he was being attacked, acted in self defense, simple as that. Haye was the one moving backwards out the way when Dob Charles came running at him.

    You must realise your in the minority here, anybody with a set of balls would do the same thing if being rushed like that.
     
  10. madballster

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    Mickey watch the video again.

    Charles comes at Haye, Haye moves backwards and clocks him with three hands. Charles goes down, wrestled down by a bunch of people. So far so good, self-defense.

    Then Haye - no longer under any apparent threat - grabs a camera or video tripod and smashes it down on the group of people lying on the floor, apparently injuring Adam Booth instead of his target Don Charles. That's no longer self-defense. That's the **** that happens when your brain short-circuits and go into a blood frenzy, under the influence of alcohol.
     
  11. Relentless

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    don charles, Gsora and the big black mother****er that went after haye are all street thugs.
     
  12. Orbete

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    IMO Haye could have shot Chisora with an AK47 right between his eyes and I wouldn't blame him at all. Chisora chose to attack Haye. Haye denfended himself.
    I will always be against culpability because of dispropotionate answer in case of self-defence. If you have a gun and decide to use it if physically assaulted I have no problem with it.
     
  13. jack365

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    Armed assualt? Homicide? Baseball bats? blood frenzy? ffs how many stitches were needed after this fight? At the moment ive heard of not one stitch or one hour in hospital needed for anyone. It may turn out later a couple of stitches were required but lets not go OTT about the incident.
     
  14. madballster

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    Certain jurisdictions will agree. AFAIK e.g. in Texas you free to simply shoot burglars even if they're no immediate threat.

    There was some elderly dude in Texas who saw burglars in his neighbors house. He called 911 and told them "You guys are too slow, I'm going over, let me take care of this." The 911 phone clerk implored him to stay where he is but grandpops went over with his hunting rifle and shot two Mexicans who were busy stealing **** in the house next door.

    He was acquitted in court. [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy[/ame]


    Unfortunately for Haye and Chisora German law sees it differently.
     
  15. madballster

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    The attempt alone is punishable, even if unsuccessful. Go look it up.