Pure Wrestler vs Pure Boxer, MMA match, no cross training for either.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Icanmakeitrain, Feb 19, 2012.


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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I honestly think it depends on the style and dimension of the boxer most importantly, after the skill of each, of course. The prevailing conception that wrestlers have an insurmountable advantage doesn't make sense to me.
     
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  2. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    see joe moriera vs yuri vaulin.
     
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  3. Stoo

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    Lay on your back and try to punch up, then it will make sense

    And **** off Johnstown!
     
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  4. HeGlassedMe

    HeGlassedMe ufc is the new pet rock Full Member

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    Pure Boxer by KO.
     
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  5. Icanmakeitrain

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    I have actually literally punched a wrestler off of me during the one day a month we go "all out" although the i had about 40 pounds on the wrestler. Oh who/ what is this jonestown you speak of?
     
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  6. Stoo

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    **** off Johnstown!
     
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  7. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Are we starting on my back, or did I lose the ability to move?
     
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  8. Stoo

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    No, a wrestler with training will take you down if you have no wrestling training. Because that's what they train for.

    Simple really
     
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  9. Icanmakeitrain

    Icanmakeitrain Guest

    have you evern done anything stoo? im curious..any boxing, wrestling, bjj, McDojo karate when you were 9 years old? anything?

    because its not that simple...a good boxer who is mobil still knows how to turn, how to use footwork, how to fire at range. could the pure no striking training wrestler have a advantage...very possible..but its never a 100% thing or simple. Of course at times it might look simple..if the wreslter gets a take down it may well happen fast (because if it doesnt..he is most likely getting punched) but even in that case, it really isnt "simple".
     
    Icanmakeitrain, Feb 20, 2012
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  10. Stoo

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    **** off Johnstown!
     
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  11. Icanmakeitrain

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    your a fat ****** who couldnt fight your way out of wet paper bag :p

    i still dont know what this Johnstown person ever did to you..but he sounds like a cool guy to have you this pissed off, you ****ing ******.
     
    Icanmakeitrain, Feb 20, 2012
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  12. Stoo

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    **** off Johnstown!
     
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  13. Wilhelm

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    I’m not sure how much boxing you guys have actually done or if you’ve ever grappled before, but just watch any John Ruiz fight and you’ll see how easy it is to clinch. People somehow build up this picture in their heads of boxers being uncatchable and able to thread the needle with knockout punches every time. If that were the case you’d see way more guys getting starched in the first twenty seconds of the fight. Good boxers are good boxers because they have a better chance over the long haul of landing more than they take and of having those punches be more hurtful than an average boxer. If you give any boxer one chance to knock a guy out before the guy can clinch or he loses, you won’t see many wins. The fact is that hitting a small, quickly moving target like a head with something small like your fists is just a much more low percentage move than attacking a larger and relatively more slowly moving object like a torso or legs with a larger object like your arms. It just is. That’s why it’s the guys who are best at these sorts of moves (the high level grapplers) that have dominated mma and not one punch knockout guys. Seriously though, don’t take my word for it. Go ahead and try it with your buddies. You’ll see that landing enough hard and accurate punches on the button before a guy can get a hold of you is really, really hard.
     
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  14. Icanmakeitrain

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    good point about Ruiz..although its easier to clinch when you throw punching coming in..something Ruiz could do...a pure wrestler who has done no striking will SUCK at punching..so its a bit harder then that.
     
    Icanmakeitrain, Feb 20, 2012
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  15. Icanmakeitrain

    Icanmakeitrain Guest

    you guys who say the wrestler has a huge advantage may well be right..its just that in my personal experience even good college level wrestlers tend to become jumpy when they havent done much striking training and now they got a dude throwing who they know can throw. but hey ill leave it at that, im not going to respond anymore, but thanks for the fews and i will check back.

    oh i will respond if someone says something really really interesting.
     
    Icanmakeitrain, Feb 20, 2012
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