Can we conceivably rate Chisora as a top 5 Heavyweight?

theboy_racer · Feb 20, 2012

He's top 5 in Brtiain.

Possibly top 10 in World but that isn't saying much.

Manning · Feb 20, 2012

1. Wlad Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. Povetkin
4. Chambers
5. Adamek
6. Haye
7. Thompson
8. Helenius
9. Pulev
10. Solis
11. Chagaev
12. Dimitrenko
13. Boytsov
14. Arreola
15. Peter
16. Chisora
17. Ustinov
18. Wach
19. Kevin Johnson
20. Huck
21. Mike Perez
22. Mormeck
23. Juan Carlos Gomez
24. Siarhei Liakhovich
25. Seth Mitchell
26. Francesco Pianeta
27. Tyson Fury
28. Pala
29. Stiverne
30. Grant
31. Andrzej Wawrzyk

This seems fair to me.

DrMo · Feb 20, 2012

Seems ridiculous to me but as Ive never read Mein Kampf I doubt I'll understand your reasoning

Vano-Irons · Feb 20, 2012

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Yes. Not on paper but on closer analysis beyond looking on boxrec, it seems fair that he's at least top 10. Definitely beat Helenius who was a stone wall top 10, quite comfortably too. Think we all agree on that, can't hold a terrible robbery against him.

Did better than anyone apart from Lewis against Klitschko. Klitschko's been mediocre since his return in my opinion, but he's still the second best out there by a long margin.

What goes against him is the Tyson Fury debacle. That was a horrible performance and I don't rate Tyson even on his best form as a top 10 heavyweight, so I can see why people would say he's not based on this. I think though if we're analyzing this seriously it was clear he was in awful shape compared to his last 2 fights, seemed deflated.
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I pretty much agree with every word :good

Vano-Irons · Feb 20, 2012

DrMo said: ↑

Seems ridiculous to me but as Ive never read Mein Kampf I doubt I'll understand your reasoning
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WTF?

DrMo · Feb 20, 2012

Vano-Irons said: ↑

WTF?
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Thats not a dig at you

You clearly havent had the dubious pleasure of reading some of Manning's previous posts on this forum.

I'll dig some out if your interested?

Vano-Irons · Feb 20, 2012

Oh I thought I was directing your answer at me

Na it's ok. I learned a little while ago its just just to skip his posts.

SportsLeader · Feb 20, 2012

DrMo said: ↑

Seems ridiculous to me but as Ive never read Mein Kampf I doubt I'll understand your reasoning
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:rofl:rofl

Black2023 · Feb 20, 2012

Vano-Irons said: ↑

Ok, back to the boxing side of things. Do you consider Derek Chisora to be a top 5 Heavyweight after the weekend? On the face of it, this seems ludicrous as Del Boy has lost 3 of his last 4 fights. But if we delve a little deeper, can an argument be made?

Against Fury, he let himself down. He didnt fancy the fight and came into the fight in very poor shape. After the second round, he was pretty much non-exsistent in there, losing wide on every card. But against Helenius, he somewhat redeemed himself. The Fin was a massive favourite, and many fancied him to do a serious job on Chisora before knocking him out. Del Boy, however, took his best shots, and, while stunned, managed to return fire. He was on Robbies chest for the rest of the fight, outworking the Fin, only to be robbed on the cards after outlanding Helenius 2:1.

Against Vitali, he came up against his toughest foe, and lost a competitive decision on the cards. He wasnt outclassed like many believed he would be, and he didnt once look like being stopped by the Klit. I had the fight 116-113 Vitali, with Del Boy winning more rounds against him than anyone i can remember for a long time.

SO, where does he rank along his peers? Outside of the brothers, boxrec have the HW rankings as
3 Povetkin
4 Adamek
5 Fury
6 Helenius
7 Thompson
8 Dimitrenko
9 Pulev
10 Huck (despite never having a fight north of 200lbs)

Chisora is down in 15th.

The Ring throw in Arreola, Chambers, Chageav and Boystov.

But apart from the brothers and Povetkin (who is clearly the number 3 for me), has any of these other names beaten anyone as good as Helenius? And would any of them give Vitali as hard a night as Chisora did? Can we feasibly have him anywhere near the top 5 after 3 defeats in 4 fights? If he isnt in the top 5, who should be above him?

This is a thread about Chisora the boxer, not Chisora the man.

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chisora beat helenius, and gave vitali his toughest fight since c. sanders...i say top ten without a doubt.

12downfor10 · Feb 20, 2012

DrMo said: ↑

Seems ridiculous to me but as Ive never read Mein Kampf I doubt I'll understand your reasoning
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DrMo · Feb 20, 2012

12downfor10 said: ↑

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Bajingo, the Team Europe captain is away this week.

Please send your pick to me by PM, the only fight done so far is Povetkin-Huck so take your choice :good

Vano-Irons · Feb 20, 2012

Black2023 said: ↑

chisora beat helenius, and gave vitali his toughest fight since c. sanders...i say top ten without a doubt.
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My thread asks if he is top 5

Black2023 · Feb 21, 2012

It answered the question....said top 10...so if you use your brain obviously he aint top 5 for me..

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