Heavyweight Action's Post-1978 Top Ten

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  1. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How many vehemently disagree? :lol:

    http://www.heavyweightaction.com/heavyweight greats 78-04.html

    01. Vitali Klitschko
    02. Lennox Lewis
    03. Wladimir Klitschko
    04. Mike Tyson
    05. Larry Holmes
    06. Riddick Bowe
    07. Evander Holyfield
    08. Ike Ibeabuchi
    09. Chris Byrd
    10. Mike Weaver

     
  2. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not my particular opinion, but someone else's organized on a website I came across.

    I'm neither for or against the K, but they are certainly among the most difficult fighters to rate on a H2H scale for what they bring to the table. Most opinions seem to be on opposite ends of the spectrum.
     
  4. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Except the Tyson that faces Vitali peak for peak wasnt a headhunter and didnt turn into one until he dismissed Kevin Rooney. Even against Ruddock in '91 he put together Grade-A body shot assaults.
     
  5. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Lewis- Maybe the best jab on the list. His reign was in a good era, he beat everyone that was significant in the 90's. And has beaten some fighters on this list as well. Other than chin, which wasn't all that bad. He could do it all. Knock you out, outbox you, or both. Even though he was a better outside fighter, you couldn't dose off either. His uppercut was very devastating. I feel Lewis would win against the most fighters on this list H2H.

    2. Holmes- Like Wlad, he had a long streak of wins in bad heavyweight era. Though his abilities can't be denied. His chin, stamina, and jab allowed him to control almost every fight he was in. I have a hard time seeing him losing, but I do feel maybe a more skilled powerful big man could get the best of him.

    3. Vitali- He had the size, reflexes, and chin to go toe to toe with anyone on this list and win. Not many weaknesses, other than maybe durability. I don't think he's as talented as his brother, but his toughness and chin makes me rank him higher H2H.

    4. Tyson- Probably the best combination of power and speed the division has ever seen. His talent was comparable to RJJ was at middleweight, just untouchable at his peak. Though like RJJ, time catches up on you and when some of the talent goes with age. You either adjust or fall behind, something I feel Tyson did in the 90's. Though still very capable of beating a good bit of the list even at that stage in his career.

    5. Wlad- Very powerful size, with a sledge-hammer jab that can win fights alone. Though Wlad's weak chin and overall lack of mental toughness when things get tough makes me think a few fighters on this list would and could expose him at some point.

    5. Bowe- Extremely gifted fighter in his prime, he was a big man that can fight on the inside as well as the outside. His chin was good and so was his power. Though, like 6.Tyson- His prime was very short, and his weight was a issue in some big fights. I could see him giving anyone on this trouble if he came in at a 100%.

    7. Holyfield- He definitely had the most heart on this list, a true warrior you know would have to bury to take out. His hand speed and the way he put combo's together with such crispness, would give anyone on this list trouble on the inside. Though I feel some of the bigger fighters might give him some trouble.

    8. Ibeabuchi- One of the most complete fighters on this list, but with only 19 fights. It's truly tough to determine where he stands. Though when you watch the Tua and Bryd fights, it's hard not to say this guy was something special.

    9. Foreman- Maybe the most powerful puncher on the list as well as one of the best chins. At this point he rarely won rounds, but always had lightening in a bottle through twelve rounds. Would lose to just about everyone on this list, but with one punch can take out anyone as well.

    10. Moorer- Had power, solid boxing skills. Didn't always come in the ring 100% physically trained. Probably could beat a few on a good night, but would lose to the majority.
     
  6. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ibeaubuchi? is this guy serious? what a cracked out list, him and weaver barely crack top 5 of their best years let alone the last 34!!
     
  7. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good stuff, Punisher.

    I dont know what the overall basis for his ratings were, but H2H undoubtedly played a role. The descriptions you give for each are spot-on. Old George definitely deserves a top ten spot. Inconquerable chin and bone crunching power can take you quite far: In his case, a very competitive fight with prime Holy and regaining his title 20 years after the fact against an undefeated 26-year-old champion.
     
  8. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, Alot of it was based on H2H. As well overall accomplishments throughout their respective careers. I feel Holmes vs Vitali could go either way, so that was a tough choice for me to pick which goes 2 or 3. The deciding factor for me was Holmes reign being alot longer.

    Ibeabuchi was a good wildcard choice, the guy was something special. Too bad we will never know what a talent like him could of became.
     
  9. TAC602

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    Holmes rates rather high for me on an ATG Heavyweight list. His era wasnt spectacular (few are), but he had one of the longest title reigns of all-time despite not unifying. Many of the fighters people accuse him of ducking couldnt keep their **** together. ATG technician, ring general, jab; loads of heart and excellent chin. That said, I do think Tyson still gets him prime-prime. The titantic right hand that exploded on his face in the fourth round is one Tyson always eventually lands. And when Tyson gets you hurt, it's an inevitable fate.

    01. Lewis
    02. Tyson
    03. Vitali
    04. Holmes
    05. Holyfield
    06. Wladimir
    07. Bowe
    08. Foreman
    09. Moorer
    10. Ibeabuchi

    Same group, albeit a slightly different order.
     
  10. Punisher33

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    I can see Tyson/Homes P4P going one of two ways. Tyson catches him with something big early to mid rounds, goodnite Larry. Then again if Larry takes him into the later rounds, Tyson could be kept at bay with the jab from a distance. At which point Larry cruises to UD victory. I do feel your top 5 has the ability to beat each other on any given night. Though for some reason I would probably pick a prime Holmes over Lewis if it was a 15 round bout, better stamina, comparable jab, Lewis got the power but Holmes has the better chin. That match would be pick em for me.
     
  11. Bald_Toad

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    1. larry holmes
    2. evander holyfield
    3. mike tyson
    4. klitschko brothers
    5. lennox lewis
    6. george foreman
    7. riddick bowe
    8. michael moorer
    9. ray mercer
    10. buster douglas
     
  12. forreal

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    Vitali's best win is a fat Samuel Peter :lol:
     
  13. Bald_Toad

    Bald_Toad Ring Title Full Member

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    funny how tyson and holmes were in some "**** era" and the klitschkos best wins are against guys that wouldnt last 8 rounds with a prime holmes, tyson or holyfield.

    a 50 year old holyfield outboxed valuev who is david hayes best win.
     
  14. Muresan80

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    01. Lewis
    02. Tyson
    03. Vitali
    04. Holmes
    05. Holyfield
    06. Bowe
    07. Wladimir
    08. Foreman
    09. Moorer
    10. Ibeabuchi
     
  15. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    i dont understand how you can put holyfields accomplishments above wlad at hw