Prime Holmes vs Prime Bowe, who wins?

i'll grant you Foreman might have clocked Tubbs with a good enough shot to take him out if the right opportunity came.. Donald however had a pretty good chin as did tucker.. Foreman might have to try and go for the decision win against those guys and I'm not sure what kind of a proposition that would be.

I don't know how green Bowe was supposed to be. He was a former olympian, undefeated in 22 fights, with Eddie Futch in his corner and perhaps only 18 months or so away from taking the title... Sure he still had some things to work on, and was by no means peak, but this is hardly a comparable scenario to Liston taking on Marshal with 7 pro fights and no amateur pedigree.

 

The Foreman vs Schultz fight is starting to get thrown around in here and I'd like to comment on it for a minute.... At the time of this bout Foreman was 46 years old and had only fought once within two year time frame. Sure he was coming off the big win over moorer, but he also was outboxed handely in that fight before finally getting an opportunity to put him out. People act like Foreman's comeback was one continuous entity that spanned for 10 years without George experiencing any deterioration... I think its fair to say that his comeback reached its peak aroung the holyfield fight.. From that point, he had made his money, then got his title from Moorer and was basically taking it easy form then onward..... I don't thin Schultz fought the best version of comeback foreman.

 

Tubbs had some pretty **** poor showings post Bowe, but I suspect he would come in a better mental state to face Foreman than Lionel Butler for example. I cant see Foreman winning in his comeback. I cant see Foreman ever considering taking a fight against a guy like Tubbs. Foreman couldnt beat guys who boxed and moved in his comeback. Even limited boxers gave him fits and beat him. Tubbs was an experiened fighter.

Bowe was a decorated champion, but as a pro in fights like the Tubbs fight and the Cooper fight specifically, you could see Bowe growing as a pro. Futch had to settle him down and get him to box against Cooper and the fight was over quickly once he setup his righthand. Same with Tubbs, he had to use his jab more to land on the savvy former champion. The stylstic challenges change as a pro and fighters are more intuned of how to fight and pace over a longer fight. Bowe had to clearly adjust to that, silver medal or not. The gold medalist Lennox Lewis went through the same growing pains.

 

exactly. Foreman was at his comeback best around the coetzer and holyfeild fight.

 

I think Foreman was pretty consistent throughout his entire comeback. He clearly always had problems with fighters who gave him movement. The fact a guy like Moorison could easily put on a boxing clinic showed his limitations. The writing was on the walls long before Moorer though.

Some of his better performances in my opinion were towards the end of his career. The Savarese fight was about as good as it got for George. He couldnt really beat a guy much better than Savarese and put on a heck of a show that night.

Going back to Shultz, he wasnt a good fighter. He never would beat a good fighter. He had zero power and mediocre boxing skills.

 

Foreman against shultz (although coming off his best comeback win against moorer)was not the same old foreman who beat up coetzer and cooper as efectivly as bowe.

 

Wouldnt have mattered. Shultz brought a completely different style to the table one Bowe was capable of handling and Foreman wasnt. Comparably speaking Shultz was a poor mans Larry Donald, and thats not saying much for Donald.

 

shultz's style wasnt that different to golota in size, he was "live"and came to fight unlike fadded biggs the other rare tall guy that bowe beat. I know how proud you are of bowe forcing DQ's over golota but even you would find golota was all wrong for bowe. Same size, high work rate, very busy.. shultz was a poor mans golota who did not foul. Bowe in his usual form (outside of holyfeild I) may have had as hard a time with shultz as old man foreman.