Michael Moorer vs. the fighters he missed out on fighting...

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  1. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Moorer went 1-1 vs. Holyfield, lost to Foreman and Tua, and beat the likes of Bonecrusher Smith, Bert Cooper, Schulz, Botha, Bean, and others.

    How would he have done vs.-

    Bowe, Lewis, and Tyson?

    How about vs.-

    Seldon, Bruno, Mercer, McCall, Morrison?
     
  2. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He does very well against the bottom row, with the possible exception of Mercer, who was good enough and powerful enough to stop him while walking through some huge stuff.

    Moorer was a very good boxer, and even at heavyweight was a great puncher. He was just quite small, and lacked durability. I think he'd get to Bruno before Bruno got to him(Bruno is quite overrated, also), I think he's better than Morrison and would land first, and I think he'd stand McCall and Seldon on their heads. He's a better boxer than Mercer, but again, he could get caught and he probably wouldn't see Mercer off, so I'd make that a pick-em.

    Bowe would walk over him. Too big, too strong, and too tough. He'd probably eat some big shots over the course of it, but Riddick would be all over Moorer each step of the way, and his greater power, two fisted inside attack vs. Moorers two right-handed inside shots, and greater durability see him through to an early stoppage after a brief firefight. I'm seeing first or second round. Only Riddicks defensive flaws and lack of straight punching make Moorer competitive while it lasts

    Lennox would box him cautiously at first, as southpaws gave him absolute fits in the gym, but he's so much bigger that he'd completely neutralize Moorer on the inside with his clinch, and he's long enough and good enough on the outside for MM to have much success either. This fight lasts until Lewis starts to find him with right hands, which is dependent on when Lewis decides to throw them with knockout intentions. I say 3-5 rounds.

    Tyson does to Moorer was Tua did. He'd walk through Moorer in a round or two. MM just doesn't have it to withstand an assault from Tyson, and he doesn't have the tools to avoid them for long. That jab, when it isn't THAT long, can only do so much, you need more. Mike would eat a couple jabs, back Moorer right up, maybe take a counter or two off the ropes, establish his distance, and then its bombs away, and shortly after, good night Irene.

    Give MM a bit of a boost in the chin department, a couple inches, and about 20 pounds of muscle? Its an entirely different story, but as it was, he's really a blown up lightheavyweight badass who just couldn't stand up to a true heavweight wrecking machine(trend for blown up light heavyweight badasses).
     
  3. SJS19

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    Thinking about it, if Moorer can circle and jab Tyson for 4 rounds without his back touching the ropes, and keep his discipline throughout the entire fight, he has a very live shot at beating Tyson.
     
  4. salty trunks

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    Bowe Lewis and Tyson would have decapitated him. The problem with Moorer was that he could be hurt very easily at heavyweight. Even Botha had him hurt before he came back and stopped him in the 11th. I cant see Seldon beating him. Bruno could beat him with one shot, but I dont think he could finish him off. Mercer and Mcall would stand the best chance of the last row but I think Moorer had superior skills to all of them.
     
  5. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe the 2002 version onwards.

    But anytime when the two could have conceivably met in the 90s Tyson would have assaulted him.
     
  6. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly how i see it. I was actually going to post a thread of this myself.

    Would Teddy Atlas being in Moorers corner affect the matchup with Tyson in anyway? would have been interesting to see.

    Tyson and Moorer were supposed to fight after Tyson defeated Holyfield. Team Tyson wanted to unify the titles.

    Tyson would walk through Moorer, 1st round ko.
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    Agree with just about everything Magna says... He loses to all the upper tier guys listed while having a mixed bag of results against the lower tier.... Seldon and Morrison are men I'd favor him heavely to beat.. Mcall would be a possibility but he'd likely have to settle for a decision in order to do it, and couldn't afford to take too many of those right hands that Oliver occasionally dished out.. Mercer was far less skilled and slower than Moorer, but he had the heart and chin to take his best, while possesing enough power to take him out.. Guess it depends on how brave or how careful Moorer decides to be. I'm kind of up in the air about Bruno though. Tyson is the only man to ever take out frank early, and every man Frank ever lost to ( including Tyson ) had to take his fair share of licks before finishing him off. This is where I am hesitant about picking Moorer.. Bruno had heart, power, and better than average skill.. His chin wasn't granite persay, but neither was Moorer's and frank still showed that he could take some big shots while returning fire..... Not sure who takes that one.
     
  8. Seamus

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    Awesome breakdown.

    I would give Morrison a little better of a chance if he came in trained, focused and relatively un-partied. Regardless I would have paid top dollar to see those fireworks.
     
  9. salty trunks

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    I was really looking forward to this showdown. Too bad it never came off although Atlas was at the press conference with Tyson when Moorer fought Botha on the undercard. Atlas wound up rolling around on the floor brawling with some guy in the media.
     
  10. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson might have been in trouble against the Moorer that fought Foreman, who had a ton of confidence as was as razor sharp as a fighter can get. Thats the only Moorer who has a chance to pull a Douglas.

    Before though, he's too tentative and careful, and wouldn't throw the punches to keep Mike off, instead trying to keep tight, which is the worst idea with Tyson unless you've tied him up good.

    After Foreman, he lacked belief in his own chin and skills, and was just waiting for a guy with Tysons offensive weapons to take him out early. MM has big power, but Tyson has an iron jaw. I can't see him getting the Jirov treatment if he walks into a big shot, which he probably would. Most likely, though, he'd just snarl and proceeded to beat the bejabbers out Moorer.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    I actually thought holyfield beat double m first time round. I don't rate mm at all to be honest.

    I put him below byrd and hasim anyways.
     
  12. Azzer85

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    Tyson of 96 would beat the lviing daylights out of the MM that fought Holyfield the second time (realistically this was around the time they could have fought).

    Assuming Tyson hadnt gone to prison and he fought 'Foreman' Moorer, i still pick the last Tyson we saw before prison.

    'Ruddock' Tyson vs 'Foreman' MM
     
  13. Azzer85

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    I wouldnt be surprised if that was Teddys way of trying to 'intimidate' Tyson. Show Tyson how tough Teddy is
     
  14. jc

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    I feel sorry for Moorer he is very underrated.

    I think he beats everybody in the bottom row.

    I can see Bowe having a bit of trouble before winning by ko him in the mid rounds. Tyson does him early and Lennox does him late.
     
  15. Sister Sledge

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    A motivated Bowe, like the one for the first Holyfield fight, takes MM out fairly easy. Moorer wouldn't be able to handle his power and size.

    Lewis might be hurt by MM, but he takes him out in the mid-rounds.

    Tyson knocks him out in 1-2 rounds

    Seldon would give Mike trouble with his good boxing skills until he was knocked out.

    Bruno would use his size to get to Mike and knock him out. Probably less than 5 rounds. Bruno knew how to finish a hurt opponent, and had a better chin than given credit for.

    McCall is too much of an enigma to really make a sound decision for. I would say he found a way to lose a decision

    Morrison would be dangerous, but I'd say MM would reach Tommy before Tommy reached him.