Liston over Marciano - Can Anyone Sanely...

this is too cliche....you still are not listening, I keep telling you marciano is not staying on the outside!!

please let go of this crusierweight swarmer obsesion... Liston (older than he said he was or not)was 198lb and raw boned in his first year as a pro then grew another 12 or so pounds. The point I am making is both Liston and marciano started out within pounds of each other. one decided to train to develop more power, the other decide to train to develop more stamina.

 

If Boxing goes back to 15 rounds, I think you guys might be shock to see how much weight the heavyweights would lose in regards to gain stamina over power.

 

Liston does not walk Rocky down. If he does, his chin, which was proven suspect in two fights, gets shattered by a bigger puncher than Ali.

 

And i'm telling you he loses outside, he loses inside.

No you have to appreciate that you are not discussing two heavyweights here; a cw vs a hw.

 

You could be right if rocky was not a championship level fighter. I would expect marcinao an ATG heavyweight (not a regular crusier) to be good enough to get a foothold inside against a man shorter than joe Louis.

Its two 1950s heavyweights what ever way you look at it.

 

eaxctly!! :good

even today if superheavyweights did the same miles and curcuits in training as the welterweights there would not be many over 225lb. riddick bowe was once 218 and klitchko as a kickboxer was a beanpole like carmine vingo and ernie terrell.

 

Ok, whatever you say.

Rocky KTFO a guy with his nose split in half, a guy who he hadn't KOed in how many previous rounds. When did he ko jersey Joe?

All your airy fairy bull**** doesn't make sense when you consider what rally happened, and that was whenever it mattered, rocky pulled out the goods and ListOn sat on his stool.

Liston was so big... Ooh but what about if Rocky got inside in his face, how would ListOns long arms fair?

Liston choked or threw away his legacy on a stool against Ali. You can't change time and create a monster who was stopped multiple times by puncher's not even in Marcianos league.

Can you truly imagine Rocky getting kOed easily? If so, rewatch his fights. If not, what happens in the later rounds when Rockys unparalleled stamina gets him in close and hunting down Listons sweet spot with his Suzie Q?

 

Your'e correct in my view. One of my favourites is Rocky, but one has to face facts.

 

your argument is based on you believing that ali KOed Liston, but Liston clearly took a dive.

Your argument now means nothing.

 

Liston is the stronger man here. If you don't buy that, then I really don't know what to tell you.

Liston's chin was not proven suspect. Marshall, Williams, DeJohn, and Valdes proved it was bout as solid as it gets. The only real evidence you have is the Martin fight, where he was 37.

 

Did marshal, williams, dejohn or valdes ever knock out championship level fighters or were at the top of their game when facing Liston?

walcott knocked out and decked world champions and knocked out multiple top contenders.

Charles Knocked down a world champion and also knocked out top contenders.

Archie Moore decked world champions and iced top heavyweights.

I would say marciano not Liston had the jaw that was as solid as it gets. I dont care how big Liston was compared to those guys walcott and co hit hard enough to get the job done at a level higher than those who tested Listons chin.

 

Who said it would be easy?

There's not a fighter in history that could stop rocky getting inside (imo) but that doesn't mean he won't ship leather on his way in.

Once he gets inside and he's exchanging blows with bigger, stronger, heavier handed liston, his courage and mentality will ensure he goes out on his shield in a brutal defeat because he isn't gonna beat liston on the inside.

If rocky gets to the later rounds he has a chance to wear down the vast majority of hw's but I don't see him going that long.

 

Liston would stop Rocky mid rounds. Rocky would put up a great fight but the toll of Sonny's shots combined with Rocky's style would end the fight. Liston is bigger, stronger, and hits harder then Rocky, he would eventually stop Rocky after a great fight early on.

I don't see a scenerio where Rocky could really drag Liston into deep waters and stop him, I think Liston just lands too many punches before that could happen.

 

willie besmanoff went a lot of rounds with Liston before getting stopped on a cut, he stood in front of Liston, upright and withstood a beating round after round if he was as good as rocky he would not have been hit a fraction as much and Liston would have been in deep water. Marciano at age 40 would last longer than besmanoff.

 

yeah i dunnow hy you bring up Marcianos figths against old men.

Loads of old past it ATGS get flattened by decent young fighters.