Put your own bias aside and look at a potential Ward-Bute fight...

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  1. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    I'll jump-start this one with this:

    Andre S.O.G. Ward ‏

    I'm ready!! RT @iHeadShave_com: @andreward Happy birthday champ. How about a Bute fight? #boxing


    Stéphan Larouche ‏ (Bute's trainer - it's Ward's birthday...)

    @InterBoxBute would like to wish "HappyBute" @andreward :)

    [super corny, right?]

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    How I see Ward winning it:

    Bute's jab & right hook are somewhat predictable. Bute's footwork is very consistent i.e. loves to fight on the backfoot timing opponents coming in. I can very, very well see Ward getting Bute out of his comfort zone by first setting up a battle of the jabs on the outside, then slowly transitioning to landing effective lead rights when circling to Bute's right -- could end up working on cutting Bute's right eye. Ward's jab would have to be right on the money everytime Ward wants to get inside, as a missed jab could open the field to a Bute counter left... and who knows where he might land them. Ward's handspeed and punch dodging/ducking abilities could be way too much for Bute who's used to semi-static opponents who come forward. Bute looks a tad awkward putting pressure on opponents, it's almost like he's been taught to primarily let them come to him.

    Ward 8-4, 9-3 type UD with little to no damage taken.


    How I see Bute winning it:

    Depending on how Bute trains for this fight, he could go in trying to lure Ward into inside battles - and by that, I mean training to be an expert at anticipating Ward's jab & lead right by assessing Ward's positioning and movement. This way, he'd be able to yes, take Ward's first shot, but only to score a power punch of his own based on anticipation. I think both Larouche & Bute know it would tremendously hard to outland Ward at any range, hence the focus on waiting / luring / powering through with hard lefts. Not sure if Bute could find Ward with the uppercut, but assuming he does (whether body or head), there is a slight chance it staggers/wobbles Ward in which case Bute would HAVE to go all out for the kill.

    Bute TKO9 after several well timed uppercuts have connected.


    Disclaimer: I'll copy-paste "Fail. Outta ma thread, you biased ****." for all you extremists with one-liner, sweeping, all out subjective predictions.

    :smoke
     
  2. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have my own theory on this Drozzy,but I need to take my daughter to her dance class at 9.30 in the morning so I'll be signing off in a minute but I'll be back at ya tomorrow on this.
    Listen to me! As if anyone gives a **** what I think!:patsch:!:
     
  3. Dece Bal

    Dece Bal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I will only tell you who I think will win once Ward signs on the line that is dotted. ;)
     
  4. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    Thanks for the heads-up. Looking forward to your post! Hope the dance teacher qualifies as eye candy... :good


    :D

    ...but why though? How is the fight being signed / aborted a factor in what you think would happen? :?
     
  5. Dece Bal

    Dece Bal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You'll see! ;)
     
  6. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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  8. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In a neutral venue, I see Ward winning a close fight. He has better defense and footwork. Bute's main advantage is his power, but if Ward doesn't get caught with flush, clean shots that advantage is mitigated.

    Ward also is able to adapt to his competition quite well. Against Bute, I don't think he would want to fight inside. That would leave him vunerable to the thudding body shots and uppercuts Bute throws.

    Using hand and foot speed to turn Bute and keep him from loading up, Ward outboxes him and wins a fairly close decision. 116-112, or closer, Ward.
     
  9. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    Fail. Outta ma thread, you biased ****. :smoke

    Plus, Vancouver Canucks suck juicy donkey balls. They're a bunch of slimy ***s.

    Fail. Outta ma thread, you biased ****. :smoke

    Thanks Jeff. Thing is though, Ward loves to in-fight so much, I think he'd be tempted to bully Bute here and there. If he indeed is more powerful than Bute physically (re: shoulder & arm strength), he'd want to break him down a la Green... would he not?!
     
  10. MrMagic

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    Ward in a non-dramatic, wide unanimous decision.
     
  11. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    How does he neutralize Bute's power lefts all night? (as in, just want you to elaborate)
     
  12. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    They happen to best team in the league right now :lol:

    As for Bute-Ward, Ward is way more proven. Bute's best win is against a washed up 43 year old journeyman while Ward has beaten all the other top fighters in the division.

    Ward will win a 118-110, 117-111 type UD maybe closer if they fight in Canada.

    Also, how am I bias? I'm Canadian, if anything I'd be bias in favour of Bute :patsch
     
  13. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ward has a very neat way of neutralizing his opponents strengths, much like Bernard Hopkins.

    He'd do it like you neutralize every southpaws left hands, he'll circle to the outside of Butes front foot and throw Bute out of the zone where people normally fall in on his left hand, whereas Ward will be falling OUT and away from his left hand.

    I also think Wards jab is ultimately better than Butes, so he'd be able to keep it on long range as long as he is disciplined enough not to throw his right hands down the pipe which Bute invites to lure them in, for a counterpunch to the liver.

    Ward probably will fight as I've posted above, he will probably also employ rough and tough tactics, fighting in close and smothering Butes work completely, in other words, Ward will switch it up (dont forget he can fight southpaw too).
     
  14. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very good thread Drozzy, answer is coming; but I'm going to take 5 minutes to re-think it.
     
  15. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    You're English Canadian as opposed to French Canadian, and you reek of anti-Bute bias in every Bute thread you post in.

    You have no countryman to look up to. :lol:

    Your bias shows in how you describe Johnson. You deserve zero attention.

    Bieksa is a complete hypocrite, Luongo is past it, Burrows never was, Sedin's are all they got. There you go.

    I did mention Ward moving outwards vs Bute's right side in my first post, and did point out the effectiveness of Ward's jab. Where you seem to differ is the rough & tough approach, which I think would only happen late in the fight should Ward be successful clowning Bute from the outside and which Jeff thinks won't happen. Interesting. 'Smothering Bute's work completely' could be hard to accomplish, but I agree it's possible.

    As for fighting southpaw, Bute's got his own ways. I KNOW Magee is not a stellar fighter, but Bute's accuracy wasn't bad at all on that night given Magee's stance.