Put your own bias aside and look at a potential Ward-Bute fight...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by drozzy, Feb 24, 2012.


  1. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    How? I don't disagree, I just kindly called for details, let's hear them.

    Otherwise you're just another biased **** as advertised in the 1st post. ;)
     
  2. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    As much as I think Bute is unproven, he does have a fan friendly style and there are many, many things that remind me of Oscar. Bute has that exciting boxer puncher style, looks, fan friendly, good boxing, and good power plus a strong fanbase. Ward on the other hand is proven, has great skills, handles pressure well, but he of course has his cons, but they are minor one being he doesn't have a fan friendly style, but neither did Sweet Pea. I think it might turn out to be much better than most think. Both are in their primes and even tho I don't think it will be a classic, but it won't be a letdown either. But really not until Bute faces a Froch, Kessler, or Dirrell won't really know if he really is a threat to Ward.
     
  3. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I don't think I like your tone of implicit, my friend. :twisted:
     
  4. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    To me, that's what makes it cool looking at Ward-Bute. Especially since a lot of experts around the boxing world have Bute in their SMW top 3 (the rest of them having him in the top 5).

    :lol: :rofl ... :!:
     
  5. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    I like Bute, and even though Ward is one of my favorite fighters I wouldn't be upset if Bute beats him, but I doubt he will.

    Both Bute and Ward appear to have shaky chins, and since Bute has way more power I wouldn't rule out a KO. But in all likelihood Ward wins a 117-111 type UD.

    Also, I do watch junior Hockey but Burrows performance in the NHL is way more indicative of his skill then his performance in the Juniors.

    They were #1 at the time of your post since they had a game in hand on Detroit and therefore averaging more points per game (Plus they were leading in the game they were playing).
     
  6. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    I'll buy that.

    Burrows was unfortunately very much hot & cold in the juniors. And live on the ice, for an obscure reason would get heard being condescending towards his own teammates. He's got grit and fairly good skills, but I think he's about to face to a steady 12-18 goals a year.

    Meh. Hadn't looked at games in hand only points, fair enough. I just know Detroit's system (mainly their game in the neutral zone) is more effective against most teams compared to Vancouver's D-to-O transitions.
     
  7. Cael

    Cael Claudia Cardinale Full Member

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    dont be sillies.
    Andre Ward knocks Bootay's eurotrash fraud ass out in 1 round max it won't even be compatitive.
    Bootay is a eurofraud whos scared to leave his hometown and fight someone with a pulse...he's just like Calzslappy
    Ward is the best 168 of all time, so stop being morans.



    US baby!!





    Gingrich 2012.
     
  8. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    Fail. Outta ma thread, you biased ****. :smoke
     
  9. Cael

    Cael Claudia Cardinale Full Member

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    US baby!!!!


    eurofags ain't got **** on our slick african american boxers.
     
  10. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd pick Bute to win a wide UD or by late KO.

    Ward does his best fighting on the inside, and while he does have a good jab and decent lead right hand, he doesn't have much power behind either. Certainly not the type of power to dictate tempo. He relies almost entirely on making his opponent miss from the outside than making him pay with clean, but not exactly overpowering shots.

    Ward would try to keep it on the outside, but Bute is a better counterpuncher than ANYONE Ward has ever fought. He's also a SP, leaving Ward open to a counter R hook after Bute slips the jab. Also, Bute is stronger than ANYONE Ward has fought. If Ward tries to bring the fight inside he'll be hit hard to the body by combinations, and it's a risky proposition to lean on Bute since he can KO you at any moment with and uppercut on the inside.

    I don't see Ward having any real chance of winning this. Bute is slicker than him, stronger than him, and has shown better punch resistance than him. He's a southpaw, and throw the widest variety of punches in the higher weight classes.
    Yeah, either Ward gets dropped several times and runs for 12 rounds to a 120-104 loss, or he's counted out between the 3rd and 7th round if he ever tries to make a fight of it.
     
  11. Cael

    Cael Claudia Cardinale Full Member

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    Damn straight up G put.:good

    while Bootay's fisting up bums and -D level fighters in frogtown canada, Ward is traveling to hostile territories and smashes up legit threats and local alpha males like Magees and Bikas.
    These fighters are much superior to anything Lucy Bootay ever fought, and would beat the absolute living **** out of Bootay
     
  12. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    I think Burrows is a solid 25 goal guy, he fits well with the twins.

    I too think Detroit is superior to Vancouver. I would rank Vancouver #2, however.
     
  13. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    Bear in mind Ward's handspeed (and "footspeed" if there is such a thing) are incredibly superior to anyone Bute has ever fought. Just a note, really.

    And yeah, Bute's right hook is his "**** off punch". Some kind of bitchslap after a jab misses. :p

    I do however think Ward could use lateral movement to dodge Bute's power punches and get in the pocket - sure it's risky, but it's doable for him. That said, and as previously mentioned, I think Ward's primary approach will be to outland Bute from outside with counter up-jabs and sneaky lead rights.

    Damn I had missed out on the subtlety. Now I see what you did. :D :yep
     
  14. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought you were one of the Bute fans with a fairly solid grip on reality ChiTown,but the last couple days have suggested you're leaning towards the element who think Elvis and Hendrix will be performing at the Bute fanclub convention and think Ceausescu was the Nelson Mandela of Romania.
    Your post is too detailed to be a joke so I have to conclude you've lost it mate.
    I rate Bute highly but even the most hardened Bute fan (out of the more sensible group) who still has their marbles about them knows Ward will test Bute like he's never been before and the tone of your post suggests an easy and comfortable win for Bute.I'm not trying to be shitty but I really thought you had a bit more about you.This is undying fanboy love and not a well thought-out prediction.I hold my hands up and freely admit I badly underestimated Ward but I've done what many people who post here haven't and tried to see a bit of Bute and try to make a balanced judgement.
    He is an excellent fighter who is technically very sound,but I challenge anyone to be honest with themselves and still say Bute wins easily.
    He will give Ward a tough fight and I'm not saying he can't win.Not by a long shot but your prediction is completely biased and free of reason.
     
  15. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I actually see Bute playing the role of counter-puncher, and relying upon his pristine punching technique, timing, and concentrated attack to the body to off set Ward's advantages in terms of hand speed and versatility. I think Lucien hangs back and makes Ward come to him, all the while zipping the left downstairs as often as he can.

    Ward does possess good in and out movement though, and I can see him jabbing and feinting his way in, and then using his underrated strength to push Bute back on his heels in the trenches while clubbing him with rights in close. It's probably gonna be one of those fights where Ward will out-land Bute by a hand full of punches throughout most of the rounds, but Bute may well be the one landing cleaner punches in the majority of the stanzas.

    If Bute is unable to time Ward's advance and can't hurt him with a counter...or if he decides to spend too much time looking to be too perfect with his punches and forgets that it's often better to make some sort of contact with a fighter like Ward in order to wear him down and bring down his guard, then we're looking at a distance fight. And in that case (and I suspect that this will be the case) then Ward will probably be the one with his hand raised in victory after winning 7 or 8 rounds on each of the judges cards simply due to superior work rate.