Ward the Froch is going on?

mr magic you're such a big , big , big troll :yep ........ trolllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

It's the implication Mark.
I'm sure there was a rapid thread with said implication last night and no doubt there will be several more.

 

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Good to see you Ramon.
Hope all's well with you.:good

 

pai daca esti invidios pe mr magic ca primeste atata muye de la mine , iti dau si tie , ca sa nu te superi ............. pateticule :yep

 

Bute is not pretending to want to fight Ward or Froch or Kessler. He really does. He wants to fight Ward more than anyone on this forum. If he cannot get Ward, he wants Froch instead. Again, more than anyone on this forum.

We don't know the terms, but if Bute said they offered Froch USD 1m, they offered Froch USD 1m. Froch knows Bute is desperate to fight either him or Ward, and with Ward seemingly out, that leaves him. It's a career high pay-day, of course - only Bute can give them that - but maybe Froch wants more. Or maybe he thinks his only chance against Bute would be in England. If he beats Bute in England, he gets a rematch and he makes a lot more than USD 1m overall. If he loses to Bute next, he's second tier and he stops making more than a USD 300-400k.

 

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I didn't pay much attention to troll-like activity, so I really didn't noticed if someone out of BatTheMan claimed Froch was unhappy to earn "only" $ 1M for a Montreal fight with Bute. But I don't think you should enter in "Bute denial mode" just because of some alleged misinterpretations: as said, Froch probably has his own (not money-related) reasons to prefer a home fight despite a real $ 1M solid offer for fighting in Canada.

 

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It's the implication that Froch has refused a straight million dollars that bothers me Ramon.It seems that anything from the Bute camp is taken as gospel and most people outwith Bute fans know that even their own boxer of choice will send out some smoke and mirrors when necessary.
None of you know for sure what this offer entailed and what the clauses or options were.
All I'm saying is that there are a section of Bute fans who will take the statement (about the $1m offer) in the purest and most simplistic way and spin it in a way that paints Bute in the most perfect light.
If Froch was offered a straight mil with no unreasonable options then I'll hold my hands up.
But I ain't holding my breath...

 

True. Bute did not mention any detail out of the total amount. So one may only speculate about anything else in that offer. Neither I nor Ramon claimed that Froch should have accepted without conditions the offer just because of its magnitude.

The only way to interpret the statement is that there was offered an amount of $ 1M. Everything else is speculation, and you shouldn't call Bute a liar on a speculative base.

 

I have never called him a liar.I have said he may have been economical with the truth.
I have also made clear that I am not talking about Bute fans as a whole.I have made the point that it is not as clearcut as Bute saying "here's a million dollars.Fight me and walk away"
There WILL be people who interpret this in the wrong way.I get the feeling you're trying to be picky with my posts.You are making implications about my posts that are uncalled for.I say what I mean and I don't need your speculative interpretations to point anything out.
I did not say Bute was a liar and I certainly did not accuse you or Ramon of anything,far less the drivel you have claimed.
Just because I quote someone's post does not mean they are the direct target of what I have to say.I'm perfectly happy to keep this civil but I would ask that you refrain from putting your own spin on my posts.Especially if you are going out of your way to pick holes in the posts.I thought you seemed the type to make measured discussion your first point of call on ESB,but you're giving the impression here that you're more the type to go out of your way for an argument.
You lost this one when you made the false accusations.Your real agenda was far too transparent.

 

Right, you did not called him openly so. But you have also said with respect to this thread: "It seems that anything from the Bute camp is taken as gospel". The only thing Bute said about the offer is the $ 1M amount. There is little to be relativized in this information: if you suggest it shouldn't be taken "as gospel", you implicitly suggest he might have lied about the amount.

Feel free to enlighten me about how would you 1. not take "as gospel" the information about the amount and 2. don't imply Bute lied about that.

You might also feel free to enlighten me about my transparent alleged "real agenda" I was not aware of.

 

I have said all along that I don't believe that Froch recieved a straight,no option 1m offer.I never said Bute DID say that was the case.I do not believe every word that comes from a boxer or promoter's mouth.That does not mean I'm calling everyone a liar.I reserve the right to make my own judgement,as do you.I did say that MANY (don't make me repeat myself about single entities please) Bute fans take every word that I/B or Bute says as gospel.You go on about how you've sat on the sidelines sizing us all up.If you had,you wouldn't make me explain every idiosyncrasy of my thought on these matters.The people who I enjoy discussing it with or whose opinions I respect know who they are and usually know where I'm coming from.I would always argue that boxing promoters are talented in the art of bull****,nothign against Bedard or anyone.I've just seen enough over the best part of 30 years.For the last time,I never ever said he lied about the amount.Get it right.

[/quote]Feel free to enlighten me about how would you 1. not take "as gospel" the information about the amount and 2. don't imply Bute lied about that.[/quote]

Can't even be bothered again.Already cleared it up for my own satisfaction.

[quote/]You might also feel free to enlighten me about my transparent alleged "real agenda" I was not aware of.[/quote]

You spin my posts out of context.You accuse me of "Bute denial".I've no idea what that is and you should keep that ego in check.If you were such a "thinker" or sideline observer you wouldn't need to spin my posts to attack them and you'd already have an idea where I'm coming from in these matters.
"Bute Denial"atsch
I only wish I had the time

 

Froch is the mandatory. If the mandatory wins, there's no automatic rematch clause. However, presumably the USD 1m offer has a clause that says that if Froch beats Bute in England, Bute has the option to an immediate rematch in Canada. You wouldn't expect any less. If this goes to purse-bids, Froch gets a lot less than USD 1m, has to fight in Canada, and he doesn't get an automatic rematch in England.

So Froch has to play it carefully. This is why he's looking for the money to draw Bute to England voluntarily, because he hopes to win, get an immediate rematch and make more money overall. I think the sticking point is that he cannot put the money together because of lack of interest from Showtime and/or Sky.

If he cannot put the money together, he will either decide to take Bute's offer for a fight in Canada or he will decide to go a different route, for a lot less money but for a lot less risk, too, against Anthony Dirrell in England, maybe. With a belt in hand, he would then be in a better negotiating position vis-a-vis Bute.

Froch is hoping that Interbox can convince Showtime to air the fight.

Ultimately it's all about money, but the Interbox are known in the industry for being very fair, honest negotiators. Also, Bute is known for never talking crap.
This is why they are always believed, because everything they said in the past turned out to be true. End of discussion for me.