Jack Johnson v Gene Tunney 15 rounds.

Can we get one thing straight aswell - anyone who has seen the film of jack O'brien against Tommy Burns knows full well that Jack Johnson didn't ever (and wouldn't ever) struggle with O'brien whatsoever - that is one of the most ridiculous assertions I have ever heard - can we please talk reality here ??

 

Forgive me if I prefer the relevancy of actual ringside witness accounts over your astute observations of another fight against another opponent.

"Johnson exhibited his customary caution... Once or twice he essayed to force the fighting, but invariably received the worst of the argument."

"(O'Brien) was constantly on top of him with his vicious jabs and stinging blows. These made the colored giant blink and win as they landed with alarming frequency on his face."

In the end..

"Johnson was entitled to the first and fight rounds... while O'Brien secured a clear lead in the second and sixth rounds. The third and fourth were about even."

 

Another ,some what different view of the fight from RINGSIDE.
This states Johnson was entitled to the verdict ,though he was," fat and in miserable shape", it also says O Brien went to the floor a couple of times to save himself from punishment..

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=GRA19090707.2.2
So, do we wish to compare the chances of a fat, in miserable shape Johnson against Tunney ?

How about the Tunney who was outclassed ,out sped and manhandled by Harry Greb?
Is that the version you want to match with Jack?

Or ,shall we have a level playing field ,and pick Johnson when he was in shape , motivated, and fighting in a decision fight.? Say when he fought Jeffries?

The Philadelphia Inquirer gave the fight to Johnson, O Brien 's home town was Philly ,and the fight was held there.

 

I've never seen anything as ridiculous as the charade that was O'brien against Burns - sorry anyone that behaves like that and runs so stupidly from Tommy Burns!! Doesn't even belong in the same arena as Jack Johnson - to suggest it is ridiculous - I don't care what the reports said in this case - I bet the same writers said of the O'brien-Burns fight that O'Brien fight a great defensive masterpiece and Burns only shaded most of the rounds?? Lol don't give me that baloney jack O'brien didn't see the day when he belonged in the same ring as Johnson - I'm pretty sure on this occassionthat iif we had the films of Johnson-O'Brien you wouldn't think the same way - all I need to know is that O'Brien went to the floor on a few occasions to avoid the beat down he was going to get so sounds like the same chicken **** scenario as the O'Brien-Burns malarkey - my guess is O'Brien was as big an embarrassment as he was against Burns but the racsist reporters were trying all they can to gloss over the humiliation

 

Despite ringsiders (not only the reporter) considering a draw the only acceptable verdict, you, in your 21-st century piousness, have declared this a historical crime. Everyone was racist (note spelling) and all decisions or results to the contrary are historical lies.

I think I've learned enough here.

 

Yep :thumbsup - then if you watched Derek Gsora VS VITLAY And Helenius, 99% would say Gsora looked like teh much better stumpy-slugger on film, compared to Tyson. :deal


Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:hat

 

To be fair though Tyson and Derek Chisora didn't weigh about as much as a super middleweight and didn't do an impression of a scared rabbit or and 10 stone weakling running away (literally running away) from a 5'7" light heavyweight (who incidentally would've been annihilated within 1 round by Johnson himself if hadn't been in danger of being lynched - and neither Tyson or Chisora did comedy flops to the floor to avoid even getting hit by their opponents ever and both were utterly fearless and aggressive - so that comparison is the most ridiculous I have ever heard its almost akin to comparing a tiger to a rabbit?? You obviously haven't seen O'brien against Burns do this is lost on you?? Check it out it's on YouTube - then come back and try to tell me realistically that you think that guy would've held Jack Johnson to a draw

 

Ps I've read about a million examples of absolutely disgusting racism in papers of that era - it was horrendous and the condescending way they talked about people back then who committed the crime of being black so don't try to tell me papers weren't racist back then??!! They were blatantly!!?? They didn't try to hide it either continually referring to black fighters with every offensive name under the sun!!??? Come on this common knowledge???

 

Somehow I'm suppose to take an unmotivated and fat Johnson past his prime.. and compare that with a prime in shape Tunney... That is the reason for bringing up Obrien? Please, that has about as much relevance as Ali vs. Holmes. A prime motivated Johnson dominates Obrien like a redheaded stepchild.