Douglas...Is This Tysons best fight ever?

MAYBE it WOULD OF BEEN Tinkerbell Tysons "best fight" if Bummy Douglas had NOT got up from teh uppercut in Round 8. :deal

I dont give a crap Douglas took 14 seconds to get up, teh ref is allowed to CHOOSE their INTERPRETATION of a 10 second count, no matter how Lenient or Looooooooooooooooooooong. BUT yeah in this case it makes ALL teh difference. IF Big Bus had been counted out - this would of been more like Rocco Marciano VS JJ.Walcott (a heroic late comeback KO while v.badly behind) than a humilating KO Loss to a 42/1 Underdawg journeyman. :yep



Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:rasta

 

Douglas did the right thing and took his cue to get up from the ref's count. There's no doubt he could've gotten up quicker but he did the smart thing and gave himself time to recover.

It's laughable that this is one of Tysons better showings. He got dominated by a man who whilst skilled wasn't much more than a fringe contender and never once put up a performance like this against any other world class opponents he met (Holyfield,Tucker).

If Tyson deserves props for this then why does Ali cop **** for looking bad against Norton 3 and Young. Both were better than Douglas, Ali was waay more past it than Tyson and Ali still was more competitive than Mike was against Buster.

**** me if were going to big up Tyson for the Douglas fight then lets give Roy Jones a medal for the Calzaghe fight or have a public holiday for Billy Conn's effort against Joe Louis.

Tyson was **** in Tokyo and his chin was the only thing that comes away with any credit from that debacle. As sure as **** his adaptability,corner and management don't.

 

Tyson had been warned by Cus Damato that this would happen if he underestimated any opponent. During the early days of his career you would hear him speak of a champion losing because he was not prepared and that it would never happen to him.

I think he was fighting out of desperation that night because he never thought it would happen to him. That didnt allow him to fight a good fight because he was looking to bail himself out of that situation.

Tyson showed a lot of heart getting his butt kicked but he or his corner didnt show much technical discipline and thats why he couldnt win. He was swinging for the fences and trying to knock Douglas out with one shot and that wasnt going to happen after Tyson allowed Douglas to settle into a comfortable fight where he controlled the pace.

 

Kevin Rooney, Trainer of Mike Tyson from 1982-1988 said this in an interview about the 1990 Buster Douglas fight:

Mike's loss to Buster Douglas. Many people were saddened to see him on the canvas struggling to grab his mouthpiece. What did you think of that fight?
I wasn't saddened because I saw it coming. But, I was saddened when I saw Mike's next fight after Spinks, eight months later. He fought Frank Bruno (their first fight) and his skills had already become diminished. I could tell he wasn't training like he should. If Bruno could fight, he would have knocked Mike out that night. Bruno landed a punch that buckled Mike, but Bruno didn't know what to do after that! When I saw that, I knew it wouldn't be long before he got knocked out. For me, that was sad... to see Mike's skills start to unravel.

But for Douglas, the minute I saw Mike walk into the ring, I knew he wasn't in shape. I saw the fat. He wasn't ripped. I just KNEW he was partying it up in Japan before that fight. They really like to party over there in Japan. Believe me! I found that out when we went over to Japan the year before to fight (Tony) Tubbs. But, we had to refrain until AFTER the fight. It was a long plane ride over there, something like 14 hours. When we got there, Mike slept for a while and then I woke him up for a 3 mile run. Then, he would go to the gym and he worked out hard. There was no fooling around before the Tubbs fight!

Two weeks before the Douglas fight, I heard Mike weighed 250 and had to take off 30 pounds. So, he dehydrated and starved himself. In the first few rounds, Douglas came out throwing a few jabs and you could see that he was nervous. But, he was throwing punches and Mike wasn't! If I had been in Mike's corner that night, I would have said: 'Look Mike, you came all the way over here and all you did was party. You've only got 3 or 4 rounds in you and you better throw EVERYTHING you've got. If you don't knock him out in that time, I'm throwing in the towel.' If Mike had done that, he could have knocked Douglas out. But, he didn't. He let a scared fighter get brave. Once you do that, you've got problems. Brave fighters don't go back to being scared. So, as the rounds went on... Douglas got confident! And when Douglas got knocked on his ass, he punched the canvas and got up. The next round, he beat the hell out of Mike... and then stopped him.

Which fights do you feel were the best performances of Mike's career?
Oh! There were many! When he went 10 rounds with James Tillis. It was his first 10 round fight. Before that, he was knocking guys out in less than 6 rounds. Another one was the fight with Mitch (Green). Mike beat Tony Tucker in a 12 round decision, EASY. He destroyed Tyrell Biggs, EASY. He knocked out Larry Holmes, EASY. Then it was Tubbs and then Spinks - EASY. Mike was on the road to greatness. In his first fight without me, he looked terrible against Bruno. Then he fought (Carl) Williams in a controversial stoppage. And then came the Douglas fight. So, all I have to say is... look at Mike's record before and after me.


http://www.markstraining.com/2009/10/kevin-rooney-on-mike-tyson.html

 

Rooney is right. Tyson did look sloppy against Bruno. He didnt think he needed to train so hard because fights were so easy.

Dumbass didnt realize because he trrained hard the fights were easy.

 

the kid once called "Big Head Mike" became "Big Headed" mentally too, not only physically

Tyson became too arrogant, too stubborn, too in love with his own power, to bother with true dedicated D'Amato preparation :verysad

Oliver McCall interview about Tyson vs Douglas:

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Mike Tyson sparring with Greg Page for upcoming James Douglas fight:

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not only is he obviuosly dissinterested and floored by Page, but more importantly: Page finds he can easily hit Tyson cleanly with righthanded powerpunches at will, exactly like Buster Douglas would soon do :-(

 

The best back and forth fight for me was Holyfield 1, don't see any fight being quite as good

 

If you've boxed its easy to recognize that a fighter who is predictable, open and sloppy is the easiest to time and control at distance. Those were the things that separated Tyson from the average brawler. Frazier did it with movement Marciano did it from a crouch and Tyson did it with movement. This allowed these fighters to be less predictable and harder to hit.
A tall boxer with decent skills should always be able to beat a pressure fighter who is predictable and doesnt defend himself well no matter how hard they hit.

Tyson became that predictable brawler after the Spinks fight and thats why he was defeated so easily by Douglas who was a decent technician and could fight a little as well.

 

These are my sentiments exactly; this fight would have actually been looked at as testament to his mental strength, courage and tenacity to keep things going when the momentum is against him. Douglas would have been forever remembered as Mike Tyson's Billy Conn. The Holyfield fight would have come off in June and Tyson would have beaten and 1990 Evander Holyfield carving out a different path.

 

Can't blame Tyson if he lost a bit of motivation and wanted to slack off a bit in training. He's a human being after all. Athletes are not just robots there to live out our expectations and fantasies for us. It's a law of boxing - hungry fighters become champions but are then likely to stop being hungry fighters. That's natural.

 

True and the mental aspect of it is even more reason to slack off. Tyson was stopping guys in one or two rounds but preparing hard with Rooney to go 12 for every fight.

 

True. that is a problem early KO specialists have. Liston and Foreman both suffered from lack of competitive rounds when they met Ali. Even if they are physically fit there needs to be mental preparation, not just a load of men in your camp telling you its going to be another easy night.
Tyson's original managers had the best idea, they made him fight often. even as champion they planned for him to do 4 or 5 fights a year.

 

:rofl:rofl:roflatsch other way round m8. :silly

you high as a towel??? :smoke :smoke :smoke

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