Lennox's arsenal and overall boxing compare to WK

Yes. Wlad will be remembered as a GREAT heavyweight, in the same breath as Lewis. He, Lewis and Vitali will be remembered as ushering in the era of the super heavyweight. Give it time.

 

Ask Steward and he says Lennox was the more versatile fighter but Wlad had the better arsenal.

He also says Lewis was the best Heavyweight he worked with but that Wlad was a bigger puncher/better finisher.

 

Strange quote coming from a die-hard Brit fan such as yourself Jackie.............

Lewis was a better inside fighter, had a better uppercut and you could argue that he had better killer instinct.

Wlad has the superior jab, left hook, footwork, heart, and ring smarts.

Resumé is roughly equal given the amount of defenses, how dominant those defenses were & who they were against.

Right hand power also roughly equal, as has already been said, Wlad throws straighter, right crosses & Lennox throws more a an overhand roundhouse right. Both have knocked fighters out with a single punch, any further debate is splitting hairs IMO.

 

They used to say the same thing about baseball. Hard stats always tell the story better than some made up subjective list.

 

I know, Lennox was despised by American boxing fans & now those same fans say how great he was.................they hated his accent, his boring, safety first style, and he didn't end fights quick enough. Sound familiar?:yep

 

Lewis is overall much better, more fluid, more killer instinct, more power in the right hand, got a bigger heart and have much better resume. Wald have a better jab, better hook, better defense and he's a bit quicker. Wlad was alot more exciting before the Sanders fight, since then he's a safety first kinda boring fighter. In a matchup, Lewis would destroy Waldo in a quick and brutal fashion, like he used to do with big dangerous guys.

 

Isn't TKO6 a hard fact?
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BOOM! Bremen walked into that one... Like a Corrie Sanders left shattering a disgraceful Ukrainian glass jaw.

 

Gotta admit though that Wlad has a good dozen of two tomato cans in there early in his career that blow up his KO%. He used to fight a bum a month in the late 90s on the Universum cards.

 

I could be persuaded to agree or agree hands down with everything in bold.

Point 2. I would disagree with your argument since fighter's change their minds about who hits harder on a regular basis and to rely on knockout percentage is a weak argument and you know it because you clearly have knowledge. Lewis had a devastating right hand, as does Wlad but I will agree if you want to argue that Wlad's is 'better' - Lewis looped his more. Wlad has better two handed power though I agree since his hook is better, the right hand is debatable when it comes to power but I would favour Lewis. Just look at what he did to Rahman with it - he committed to it more IMO.

Point 3. I think Lewis' resume is far better if you look at the level of competition beaten. Both lost to fighters of similar level. But Lewis faced some real challenges where he was expected to lose (Golota, Tyson) and some really 50/50 fights (Grant is a good example). Tua is one of the best heavies to never win a title IMO. Bowe ducked Lewis and Lewis KO'd him in the amateurs. You also can't have the prime argument both ways. If you regard not fighting a past prime Foreman as going against him, you then can't regard fighting a past it Holyfield and Tyson against him as well. That makes no sense and you know it. If he'd fought Foreman you would also say he was past it. Lewis also dug deep against Vitali and really messed his face up. Resume favours Lewis - the current heavies are generally acknowledged to be weak. Name an ATG heavy Wlad has beaten? Lewis has 3 HOFers on his in Holyfield, Tyson and Vitai and a host of other fighters who I would argue would beat most of the current crop of heavies quite easily.

Point 5. You're relying on hard statistics which do not tell the whole story, especially in boxing. Killer instinct revolves around being aggressive and throwing your power shots when someone is hurt. Watch Wlad, watch Lewis. It is clear who is more willing to take risks to end a fight. Wlad will wait and wait and won't throw a right hand for ever. It has nothing to do with KO percentage. Wlad will wait until he is ready to end a fight. Lewis will take a chance to get it done quicker far more often. That is more to do with killer instinct. It's also all well and good saying Wlad ends fights sooner, but he fought more weak opposition for longer than Lewis. Anyone with an ounce of class can stop someone with a 12-16 record in 3 rounds. The statistics are misleading here again.

Point 6. Lewis has more exciting fights against better opposition than Wlad. It's that simple.

Point 8. I've bolded but it's a toss up really, You're right, both have high ring IQ's. Wlad follows a game plan better and gets hit less, Lewis is more adaptable. I can't argue against you strongly if you believe Wlad has a better ring IQ.

Point 13. I've highlighted because Lewis was FAR more reckless and got hit more than Wlad. I totally agree. But that is one of the reasons he was more exciting. He could be careless and get caught. When he WANTED to not get hit though, he was very good at avoiding shots and being disciplined.

Good post all in all though :good

 

So did Tyson & Lewis as well as every other HW in history. Next..............

 

Let's stay honest here. Wladimir fought 30 journeymen before he fought his first fringe contender in Axel Schultz for the European HW belt. What level of competition were Lewis and Tyson operating on by their 30th fight?

Wlad was brought up like Boytsov or Dimitrenko at Universum. An overdose of journeymen to pamper up the records. Not stirring up a discussion here, just stating facts.

 

Did widow maker say Wlads resume > Lewis

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Most of what you are saying is correct, but I would also have Lewis's jab and hook being more effective. I also think hes a better combination puncher. And dont forget better chin:good

Basically better than Wladmimir in almost every way.

Id probably give Wlad an edge in movement though, but nothing else.

 

Lewis's level of competition was quite a bit higher than Wlad's, so that makes your point irrelevant:deal

 

Lewis is only second behind Ali in regards to the number of top 10 fighters he fought in his career. Not only that, but Lewis fought in the second greatest era in heavyweight history, when being in the top 10 actually meant something. Right now, you have Helenius, Adamek and Povetkin all in the top 5. Would these three make the top 15 when Lewis first became champion?

Who has Wlad beaten who is as good as Tua, Vitali, Briggs, Bruno, Holyfield, Golota, Morrison, Tucker or Ruddock? Wlad's best opponent, Byrd, is inferior to all of those fighters Lewis beat.

Brewster and Sanders both gave legitimate wins over Wlad, whereas Lewis was beaten by two average fighters but both were a class above Brewster and Sanders.

You're a ****ing moron if you think Wlad's resume is even close to Lewis'. They are leagues apart.