Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You are here because you know I have pwned you on many occassions and wanted to try and get some pride back for yourself. Dont bother, I have taken your pride a long time ago when I pwned you on the subject of Calzaghe. I can see that it has burnt you so badly that you want to bring the good mans name up when I am discussing Jones Jnr :lol:. Once again dont bother. A rematch with me wouldnt prove anything other than you can take another embarrassing beating :vonnecunt.
    Its no shame coming 2nd to an ESB great like myself
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    A very good post.
    Jones best wins were very arguably Toney at SMW where Toney didnt do much and with more SDs than probably any other alledged ATG, plus a lucky decision over Tiberi and a draw with S Williams and then Hopkins who couldnt win a world title in his attempt after losing to Jones
     
  3. Snakefist

    Snakefist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bailey I would take you more serious if you didn't suck off Calzaghe. All your threads exist because of Calzaghe, so your objective or agenda is solely based on some fanboyism of him. For instance, if RJJ was a English fighter, you'd be talking about how he is one the greatest ever. Or if RJJ was never ever in the same weight division as Calzaghe, didn't fight him when he was old and washed up, but was lets say, a WW or a cruiser weight... just anything but SMW, you would never make such threads.

    It's really weird, how much people suck off fighters. RJJ was a great fighter, a real ATG... and his resume is quite solid, had Calzaghe had this resume, you'd be making the argument about how he is top 20 ATG or more. Calzaghe's resume is decent, but despite his resume, subpar power, and big nose, he had ATG skills.... even though people say he slaps, he was quick and had a lot of swagger when he fought, unlike most of the British fighters. And it wouldve been a absolute hell of a fight if RJJ and Calzaghe happened to have fought at their prime.
     
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  5. Snakefist

    Snakefist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Anyone can do this to a persons resume. It's easy. Toney was superb win and Toney beat some good fighters at SMW, whom if they were on Calzaghe's record you would be overrating them. Toney was being picked to beat RJJ btw, and some seen it as a toss up.

    Another good win for Jones at light Heavy weight that is often overlooked is Merquei Sosa. The stoppage was premature, even though Sosa was falling over and getting Knockdown, he had a good chin and good recovering skills, so he should've got a chance, despite getting pummeled and being really dazed in the 2nd round.
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You take me serious because I post facts. Thats not sucking off anyone. When I posted the facts many of the fanboys (possible you as well) got completely owned because it was different to how they wanted to rewrite history.
    Carl Froch is English and Im a big fan of his, but I comment on his career honestly like I do all fighters. You just struggle with Calzaghe because he beat Americas 2 legends and can cope with Froch because he lost to Ward, yet you try to tell me if Jones was English :patsch. If Jones was English I would be more upset than I first was when I found that he a cheat.
    This is a different thread, if you want to comment on Calzaghe, start a thread on him and I can go on it and school the ignorant if they are wrong.
    This thread is about Jones Jnr and what happend when he stepped up and fought a fighter on a roll, ie Tarver. Now answer the opening page if you wish and tell me about the LHW comp Jones was facing before being beaten
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol::good
     
  8. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:

    you can use boxrec to try and make any boxer look bad.

    You making the point that RJJ's losses came because his competition stepped up.

    I agree with that partially, but I reckon the main reasons were:-

    - The drop down from HW to LHW.
    - Over the hill.

    RJJ was a fighter that relied mainly on his athleticism, and less on his boxing brain. When he showed signs of him not being in prime form, he didnt know what to do because all he relied was on his athleticism throughout his career.

    I can see this because I watched RJJ's fights instead of boxrec'ing.

    - Shaky chin
    - Confidence shaken up by Tarver KO + Glen Johnson KO.
    - Shot fighter.

    When RJJ cant KO a WW Felix Trinidad, that shows he is shot. And Prince Badmu and that other brear Harding. These guys would have been slaughtered by a Pre HW RJJ, but RJJ only UD them.
     
  9. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    I've been conducting some scientific research at the team elite laboratory's in moscow today and have come up with the following findings Bailey.





    when analysing roy jones career, you must distinguish between


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    firstly we must understand why a fighter takes banned anabolic steroids in the first place = a boxer takes banned anabolic steroids because they are scared to fight on a level playing field, they feel the need to cheat to gain an unfair advantage over their opponents because they are too cowardly to fight off a level playing field without manufactured advantages.





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    now look at the appalling level of fighters jones faced after being caught red handed for banned anabolic steroids in the hall fight

    - eric harding
    - derick harmon
    - gonzalez
    - glen kelly
    - clinton woods
    - john ruiz (handpicked heavyweight, slow, no power)

    absolute bog standard level of opposition - even a clean jones could beat this standard of opposition


    then jones gets slaughtered when he steps up his level of competition for the 1st time as a clean fighter versus tarver and johnson

    after these defeats as a clean fighter, jones again fights low level opposition, just like before in his disgraceful 175 reign and surprise surprise . . . . . . he wins

    - ajamu
    - hanshaw
    - washed up trinidad


    a clean roy jones then steps up his competition again v calzaghe and is systematically dismantled by joe calzaghe in one of the biggest one sided beatdowns ever witnessed on american soil


    then jones goes back to his usual level of competition and the victorys roll on just like his appalling 175 reign

    - washed up lacy
    - sheika


    if the performance that roy produced against lacy was from before he tested positive for banned anabolic steroids, roys fanboys would hold it aloft alongside his performances against the likes of the legendary dave talesco or 135lb bum vinny pazienza. the lacy performance was 'superman' at his very best.





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  10. Snakefist

    Snakefist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You don't post facts, maybe facts in your own mind.
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You think Toney has some good SMW wins? He may have a couple but lets not call his SMW career as anything special

    look at the level Toney was fighting at, when SMW champ

    1993 he wins the title from iran barkley a fighter who years earlier was blown away by nigel benn in 1 round and pummelled to a loss by a shot roberto duran barkley went onto lose 11 out of 25 fights following this fight and never beat anyone who was remotely good in doing so,the guy was so desperate he was even plying his trade as a HW in the late 90's against the likes of berbick and they say this era is a joke

    govonor chambers a guy with a career record of 9 wins 7 losses, all 3 fights prior to toney were ko losses!

    ricky thomas: won 11 lost 14,the 4 fights he had prior to toney all losses!

    glenn thomas:won 29 lost 8, lost to roy jones prior to toney and finished his career with a first round ko loss to jeff lacy.

    danny garcia: won 30 lost 22, was coming off losses to chris pyatt (a steve collins victim) lamar parks etc

    larry prather: won 19 lost 24,lost his last 5 fights prior to the toney fight even losing to nicky piper

    tony thornton: won 37 lost 7,lost to chris eubank a year earlier.

    anthony hembrick: won 31 lost 8,lost to maske prior to toney and orlin norris a year earlier.

    tim littles: won 27 lost 3,maybe one of his better wins,had fought mainly bums with the exception of a close UD over frankie liles,went onto lose to frankie liles in a 2nd contest following the toney fight.

    vinsom durham: won 21 lost 37 enough said.

    charles williams: won 37 lost 7 drew 3,lost to maske prior to toney.
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    and finally the Jones fight and, That was Jones big SMW victory where Toney was alledgedly weight weakend, other than that Jones didnt do much at SMW.
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You watched Jones :lol:, yeah just like you knew all about Nunn when you were 3 years old and commented on C Thompson.
    Yeah im on Boxrec whilst you have to combine Boxrec and Youtube, then pretend you are more than 25 years old to sound like you saw it first hand.
    Tell me this, if you watched Jones. Do you think in his fight with Trinidad that he was trying to KO him? I felt Jones was having a bit of fun and dragging it out
     
  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You commented on Calzaghe and as I said I posted facts. Show me what wasnt
     
  14. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Right so a prime Roy Jones would struggle with Anthony Hanshaw?
    Headbanger - tbh I think Jones still takes roids but he's clearly past his best.
     
  15. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    why u hating for

    You cant dispute the facts i told, because you aint watched RJJ fight until he fought Calzaghe.

    **** you never knew RJJ was black until the RJJ Calzaghe press conference.

    Those facts i layed out cant be dealt with by a person who only watches boxrec and no fight footage.

    Watch these instead

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